thank you for your inane remarks, I know you can't handle the 
truth, unfortuantly American belligerance is not just putting 
the U.S. and its citizens at risk but also 70 other countries 
in the world, which are prone to terrorist attacks (some by the 
U.S.) Carry on your satanic foreign office policy if you choose 
but dont complain if it all blows up in your face in the 
metaphoric or litteral sense!

I would prefer it if 9-11 didn't happen or ever happen again, 
unfortuantly the stability of the world rests on the shoulders 
of a U.S. cabinet made up of Genocidal mass murders, War 
criminals and fat cats.

P.S. get a life

you are stupid

You say that terrorism will never be eradicated.  I say that it 
will.  Bet on it.  And while I'm getting a life, Slappy, you can 
get lost.                        

You are a stupid head because if uyo kill the terrorists they 
gonna stop arent they you dumn fuck

I hate Muslims because the TV tells me to.

"Satanic foreign policy?"  And YOU say I can't handle the 
truth?  Look, I canunderstand your indignation to a point, and I 
felt indignant regarding what I believe I inferred corectly as 
arrogance on your part, but really, judging an entire nation just 
because you don't like me?  Belligerence knows no nationality, as 
illustrated in your posts.  I appreciate that you would rather 
that 9-11 hadn't occurred, but this goes beyond our shores.  
Surely you must realize that this type of thing can and probably 
will occur around the world on occasion, in any Western nation.  
Your rant regarding my nation's leaders sounds as if you pulled 
it out of an underground comic book.  From your punk rocker days, 
was it?                   

ashs to ashs and dust to dust

and rising from the ashes is my vengeful lust              

I believe that America has never ever done anything wrong and 
that we are God's Chosen because the TV says so.

firstly, I won't comment on your littery skills, but I will 
make it very simple for you to understand, I did NOT say that 
all Americans are belligerant or anything else I have ONLY 
criticised the US government, if you DO NOT want your 
government to be critised then please do me a favour and just 
elect a totaletarian or communist government and they'll see to 
you have all freedom of speech taken away from you, so that you 
can't ever critise them again.

secondly, all the information above is conclusions reached from 
actual documented cases from international war crimes tribunals 
against the US by 16 judges of international humanitarian law 
in each case.  Just search the internet there are many credible 
sources you will find if you do your research correctly that 
the US in the past has committed crimes against peace, war 
crimes and crimes against humanity (the legal and technical 
precursor to Genocide) in Yugoslavia, Korea, Iraq, and actual 
genocide in Vietnam.  War crimes in Japan, Afghanistan.

Thirdly, I can understand if you are confused, lets be honest 
with the propoganda George Bush instagates it looks as though 
butter would'nt melt, even though he has commited war crimes in 
Afghanistan, I mean 4,000 civilians don't just drop dead do 
they??? with the way George Bush carries on you would think 
that he was hot contender to be the next Pope or something.

I live in the UK, now Tony Blair has been found guilty of 
crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity by 
an independant international war crimes tribunal along with 
Gerhard Schroder, Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright as well as 
NATO itself.  I'm a Muslim and although Slobodan Milosevic 
isn't exactly on my Christmas shopping list, he is unfortuantly 
right about NATO war crimes.  Anyway like I was saying: Tony 
Blair, Gerhard Schroder, Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright have 
been found guilty of these offences by a independent War Crimes 
tribunal and also by a court in Belgrade where each of them was 
sentenced to 20 years in prison.  WHY haven't you heard of this 
because there are no mechanisms to bring international war 
criminals to justice (thus the need for an international 
criminal court, the US government is opposed to this, logically 
if they want to commit war crimes OR for a change be subject to 
the law they would be), therefore it hasn't gained media 
attention, as for Milosevic, well lets just say he is subject 
to victors justice, whether this is justice or not, you decide, 
I'm no philospher!!! So in short Tony Blair can either hand 
himself in to the Yugoslav authorities or buy himself a ticket 
to see the Millenium dome, chances are he'll do neither!! 
(being American you won't get this joke).  I appologise to you 
if the FACTS in this message upset you in advance (but rest 
assured they are FACTS - NOT my opinion or lies).

America is run by a commie government. Why don't they disband 
the UN, why doesn't President Bush declare martial law and 
conscription? We are in a state of WAR, people! There is nothing 
like discipline and patriotism to show the world that we're 
no.1. We are the world police, and we should be the world 
government, not through the UN and their snivelling socialists 
but through NATO. All the other countries are practically all 
like the US anyway so they might as well be another state of the 
US - the reason they all gripe so much is that they're jealous. 
I say kick all their asses because US is best, and God loves the 
US, and the world should be US. As soon as we start taking over 
other countries, the closer we come to world peace.

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I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I LIKE TO EAT RAW BACON
I LIKE A HAM ON RYE
I SUCK THE COCKS OF CAMELS
I WANT TO SEE YOU DIE

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I WEAR A FUNNY TURBAN
TO COVER UP MY HEAD
AND IF YOU SEE ME NAKED
YOU'LL WISH THAT YOU WERE DEAD

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I LIKE TO BLOW UP BUILDINGS
I LIKE TO BLOW UP CARS
I LIKE TO KILL SMALL CHILDREN
AND HANG OUT IN GAY BARS

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

I MUST BE GAY TO SAY THIS
I MUST BE SUCH A FAG
BUT KILLING ALL YOU PEOPLE 
HAS BEEN A BLOODY DRAG

I AM AN IDIOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY

THE FUNNY THING ABOUT ME
IS ALL THOSE PEOPLE SAY
THAT I'M SOME KIND OF PROPHET
WHEN REALLY I'M JUST GAY

I AM A FAGGOT
AND I'M OKAY
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT
AND I KILL ALL DAY
MY CAMEL IS MY LOVER
MY GOAT IS MY BEST FRIEND
THEY GIVE IT TO ME DAILY
THREE TIMES IN THE END!



YOURS SINCERELY
mOHaMMaD tHE iNSINcERe pOeT ANd ThE BiggEsT iDIOt of ThE laSt 
ThoUsAnd YeARs



a note from the author

now i know people have died for saying such terrible things 
about poor old mohammed, and I hope my muslim friends don't mind 
that i served them pork last week as a joke. But guess what!
I DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!! YOU ALL NEED TO DIE!!!
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(your right you are an idiot)

I know the United States has turned into an anti-Semetic hell 
whole for Arabs and Muslims but it doesn't mean you have to 
lower yourself to the level of a Zionist (neo-facist) Jew.

I think only someone like you, who probably finds it difficult 
to rub two brain cells together could make such a statement.  

You can't call all Muslims terrorists just because of Osama-Bin-
Laden, Just as you can't blame the Pope for what the IRA or ETA 
get up to in their spare time.  

*** In fact according to the Quran Osama-Bin-Laden is not a 
Muslim, in fact you can not be a Muslim AND be a terrorist at 
the same time.  If Osama-Bin-Laden is a terrorist he is 
orchastrating tyranny (like George Bush) which God classifies 
in the Quran as being a tool of the devil, - aggression, 
oppression and tyranny are condemned thoughout the Quran.

Suicide is condemned throughout the Quran anyone who commits 
suicide incurrs hell (that includes suicide bombers).  If you 
kill an innocent cilivian on purpose it is recorded as if you 
have killed the entire human race!!!

The Quran IS the LAST testament to mankind it CONFIRMS and 
SUPERCEDES the PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES (OT, NT).

The hi-jackers WILL incurr hell and for the number of people 
they have killed most probably the lowest pit thereof.  

"Jihad" or "STIVING" is SELF - DEFENCE against aggression, 
oppression and tyranny NOT creating some of your own.

MOST people mis-understand Islam INCLUDING Muslims.
  
MOST Muslims follow HADITH & SUNNA Satanic Innovations that led 
to the creation of the TALIBAN which is the perfect Sunni 
HADITHIST group.

The QURAN has no nonsense in it, this is God's revelation.  It 
is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED.  While Muslims ONLY 
used the QURAN for religious guidance they were the most 
technically advanced, scientifically advanced, powerful etc, 
after they started using SATANIC SOURCES the religion that 
freed the repressed Christian states in the Middle East is now 
begining to be as extreemist as it was before the advent of 
Islam.

Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.  

The HIJAB is an Arabic cultural dress it is NOT ISLAMIC DRESS.  
In fact in some tribes in Sudan it is the men who wear the 
HIJAB???  The dress code for women in Islam is to cover the 
chest and wear a modest length of dress, unfortuantly some 
TYRANNICAL arab scholars insist that Arabic culture IS a part 
of Islam when IT IS NOT.

(your right you are an idiot)

I know the United States has turned into an anti-Semetic hell 
whole for Arabs and Muslims but it doesn't mean you have to 
lower yourself to the level of a Zionist (neo-facist) Jew.

I think only someone like you, who probably finds it difficult 
to rub two brain cells together could make such a statement.  

You can't call all Muslims terrorists just because of Osama-Bin-
Laden, Just as you can't blame the Pope for what the IRA or ETA 
get up to in their spare time.  

*** In fact according to the Quran Osama-Bin-Laden is not a 
Muslim, in fact you can not be a Muslim AND be a terrorist at 
the same time.  If Osama-Bin-Laden is a terrorist he is 
orchastrating tyranny (like George Bush) which God classifies 
in the Quran as being a tool of the devil, - aggression, 
oppression and tyranny are condemned thoughout the Quran.

Suicide is condemned throughout the Quran anyone who commits 
suicide incurrs hell (that includes suicide bombers).  If you 
kill an innocent cilivian on purpose it is recorded as if you 
have killed the entire human race!!!

The Quran IS the LAST testament to mankind it CONFIRMS and 
SUPERCEDES the PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES (OT, NT).

The hi-jackers WILL incurr hell and for the number of people 
they have killed most probably the lowest pit thereof.  

"Jihad" or "STIVING" is SELF - DEFENCE against aggression, 
oppression and tyranny NOT creating some of your own.

MOST people mis-understand Islam INCLUDING Muslims.
  
MOST Muslims follow HADITH & SUNNA Satanic Innovations that led 
to the creation of the TALIBAN which is the perfect Sunni 
HADITHIST group.

The QURAN has no nonsense in it, this is God's revelation.  It 
is COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED.  While Muslims ONLY 
used the QURAN for religious guidance they were the most 
technically advanced, scientifically advanced, powerful etc, 
after they started using SATANIC SOURCES the religion that 
freed the repressed Christian states in the Middle East is now 
begining to be as extreemist as it was before the advent of 
Islam.

Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.  

The HIJAB is an Arabic cultural dress it is NOT ISLAMIC DRESS.  
In fact in some tribes in Sudan it is the men who wear the 
HIJAB???  The dress code for women in Islam is to cover the 
chest and wear a modest length of dress, unfortuantly some 
TYRANNICAL arab scholars insist that Arabic culture IS a part 
of Islam when IT IS NOT.

Thanks for not commenting on my littery skills.  Your alleged 
love for freedom of speech seems to apply to the content of your 
posts, but not mine, as evidenced by your correct assumption that 
I do not actually WANT to have my President criticized.  
Considering that he showed true leadership in his speech to the 
UN, I'd say that he champions freedom of speech also!  If you 
actually think that I oppose freedom of speech, you've been 
missing out on my posts.  Otherwise I'd have to assume that your 
comment is sarcasm of the lowest sort.  Oh, and your apology is 
accepted.  However, I must consider the source of the sarcasm.  
I'm sure that your nationality won't get in the way of your 
ability to comprehend this.                  

Speak the truth, my brother!  I'm with you, .44.  It irks me to 
see so many on this message board who mock and spit at you.  
They aren't True, Red-blooded Americans like we!!!!

You, go .44 dude!!!!

They hate guys like us because we've got it good here in 
American and worked really really hard to make something of this 
country, despite what we did to the... oh, nevermind that stuff. 
It's history!

To all you .44 bashers- Go to hell!!!!!

I'VE INVENTED A CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING ON HUMAN FARTS 
ALONE!!!! NOW, NO MORE DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL!!! THIS WILL 
CHANGE THE WORLD AND BRING PEACE TO OUR NATION.  BUT THERE ARE 
OMINOUS FORCES AT WORK WHO ARE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM INFORMING 
THE PUBLIC.  I'M AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE TO THE LABORATORY.  MY 
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARE ALL TAMPERED WITH.  I'VE ELECTRONICALLY 
SWEPT MY RESIDENCE AND FOUND SEVERAL ''BUGS'' WHICH HAVE BEEN 
PLACED IN MY HOME WHILE I WAS AWAY AT WORK.  IF YOU COME ACROSS 
MY MESSAGE, PLEASE VISIT WWW.FARTPOWER.COM TO SEE MY LATEST 
INVENTION, WHICH WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE WAY WE TRAVEL AND HELP 
US GAIN OUR FREEDOM FROM TERRORISM.

Oh thank you! One cannot hear about what a peacefull religion 
Islam is often enough. Nor the oft repeated phrase 'do not judge 
all by the actions of one man". You like facts? Well the facts 
are, its a whole lot more than one man commited to terrorism 
thru a belief in Islam! You explain what the Quaran says 
regarding suicide, murder and such. Thats all very well and nice 
but where is the MUSLIM OUTRAGE at fellow Muslims commiting such 
horrific acts in the name of Islam? After all, they are dragging 
Islam thru the mud. With the numbers of Muslims worldwide, one 
would logically think there would be a TREMENDOUS CONDEMNATION 
of these terrorists. There is not. Instead rallies are held in 
London on 09/11 fully supporting Osama bin Ladin and making 
excuses. Instead, statements are made by so-called Islamic 
clerics which can easily be construed as threats against British 
or as outright blackmail! YES, thats some peacefull religion you 
have there! Banners were strung reading "the future of Britian 
is as an Islamic state". And here we get to the heart of the 
matter, a statement made by one of the speakers at the "Towers" 
rally. "The world must convert to Islam, or be destroyed". It 
don't get more peacefull than that I reckon.

www.guerrillanewsnetwork.com

America is run by a commie government. Why don't they disband 
the UN, why doesn't President Bush declare martial law and 
conscription? We are in a state of WAR, people! There is nothing 
like discipline and patriotism to show the world that we're 
no.1. We are the world police, and we should be the world 
government, not through the UN and their snivelling socialists 
but through NATO. All the other countries are practically all 
like the US anyway so they might as well be another state of the 
US - the reason they all gripe so much is that they're jealous. 
I say kick all their asses because US is best, and God loves the 
US, and the world should be US. As soon as we start taking over 
other countries, the closer we come to world peace.

What have I just said!!!

Go back to my previous message? 

The group you are talking about is as extreemist as you like, 
its as if I said that EVERY American is a member of the KKK.  
Now I'm sure thats not true.

5 major freedoms that should exist in a TRUELY ISLAMIC STATE 
are:

1) ABSOLUTE freedom of religion

2) Gauranteed Human Rights ( not afforded to those in 
Guantanomo Bay - but then again thats what all 5 star 
concentration camps aim for isn't it. )

3) Freedom of speech and expression

4) Freedom of travel

5) Freedom to trade

If these are the freedoms that will be associated with the UK 
then what I have to say is I can't complain, CAN YOU??

I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THE US CONDEMNED ISRAEL FOR BEING 
A NEO-FACIST APARTEID STATE RUN BY A NEO-FACIST GOVERNMENT, 
WHICH SPENDS MOST OF ITS TIME FIGURING OUT HOW TO ETHICALLY 
CLEANSE PALESTINIANS, AND WHICH HAS A NEO-FACIST GENOCIDAL MASS-
MURDERER, GENERAL ARIAL SHARON RUNNING THE COUNTRY, CAN YOU?

SO IS IT ANY WONDER THAT WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, THAT PEOPLE 
IN THE MIDDLE EAST REACT IN THE EXACTLY THE same WAY! 

Firstly, you have little if not no knoledge of the Middle 
East.  when for example the US funds the repression and tyranny 
of the Israeli army, and NO-ONE does anything about it NOT 
Israel, NOT the US, NOT the international community which has 
proven itself to be a lame waste of space.  The intensity of 
anti-Americanism brought about by a satanic US foreign office 
policies in the region mean that this is what happens:

1) You are not allowed to express your disapproval for US 
foreign office policy because of the oppressive and tyrannical 
puppet government brought into existance by the US and all 
other such governments proped up by Washington in the region.  
UNLIKE in the US you can not bring law suits against the 
tyranny of the Israeli army for example.

2) WHO is listning to your concerns and problems NO-ONE else 
seems to care if your wife, brother, sister, mother, father, 
son, daugther is being ethnically cleansed in Israel, EXCEPT 
OSAMA - BIN - LADEN.

3) What does Osama-bin-laden promise he promises that he will 
defeat the tyranny and repression of the US and ISRAEL by the 
only means that they understand military assults.  

4) Osama-Bin-Laden is the Middle East's most effective politian 
as well as the most effective terrorist.  Popularist sentiment 
which is not being addressed by the regions so 
called "leaders", is the birth place of all terrorists.

5) Osama-Bin-Laden started off as your average terrorist funded 
by the US to carry out terrorist attrocities in Russia, 
Trainned under the careful and unfortuantly as we've come to 
realise effective tutalige of the CIA, at the worlds best 
terrorist training camp in Georgia in the US, after he got 
bored with that he decided to turn on the US, YOU JUST CANT GET 
THE STAFF NOW-A-DAYS CAN YOU?? anyway like I was saying what 
the US is going thorough now is not even a drop in the ocean 
compared to what has been going on in the whole of the Middle 
East, you can't possibly imagine.

6) Osama-Bin-Laden is NOT being treated as CRIMINAL by the US 
government IN FACT the US is going to WAR with terrorists there 
fore the US will have to lower their level to that of a 
terrorist in fact most people in the international community 
will tell you that it is Osama-Bin-Laden who has to lower his 
level to the US.  Wars are fought with soldiers and the US has 
made Osama-Bin-Laden look like a WARRIOR and NOT a TERRORIST.  
He can now sit back and make it look like he is a warrior of a 
just cause, the liberation of Arab lands, the remover of US 
tyranny and oppression, you get the idea! 

7) You can't win against terrorists its hard enough to wage war 
on a abstract concept let alone an abstract noun, the idea of a 
war on terror is a popularist myth that will only DIVERT 
attention from the real issues.  If these issues are addressed 
the so called "JUST CAUSE" of Osama-Bin-Laden will disappear 
along with him.

TWO WAYS OF SOLVING TERRORISM

The ISRAELI WAY:

- Blow away anything that moves - Guess what? it doesn't work!
  Turn on the TV for proof

The BRITISH WAY:

- Address the UNDERLYING issues so that each parties concerns   
  are addressed and resolved WITHOUT THE NEED FOR VIOLENCE.  
  This way is not without problems but it does work, Turn on
  the TV for proof.

how convenient for you that you neglected to mention those 
homicidal bombers who were funded by Saddam Hussein, and sent to 
their needless deaths by their parents.  Would you state that 
this homicidal action is NOt representative of true Islam?  Your 
bashing of the Israelis is, to say the least, biased beyond 
validity.  Your third point is a farce: if Osama bin Deathmonger 
were truly trying to attack my government, why did he murder 
3,000 innocent civilians?  Your fourth point has me laughing: if 
Osama is the most effective politician in the Mideast, why is he 
hiding like a coward?  A true leader would lead, NOT live like a 
cave man!  Your fifth point has me wondering if you've ever even 
SEEN Columbus, Ga.  Taking a shortcut to your seventh point (and 
showing you a little mercy), terrorism can and WIll be defeated; 
it is common knoweledge that Osama and Saddam are two of the most 
hated men in the entire Middle East!  The bottom line is this: we 
don't buy your propaganda.  YOU HAVE FAILED!!!    

Oh, by the way, terrorists will not negotiate when they have an 
agenda to murder people in the name of religion.  Any true Brit 
has enough sense to understand that simple point.  As you reek of 
a person who lives in Britain (London, is it?), but who has an 
agenda to spread the lies of EXTREMIST Islam, and not what most 
Muslims would ever do, I suspect that you're an extremist who 
wants to overthrow the English government and replace it with 
your extremist, anti-Western views.  Am I close?          

First you state that Islam in its purest form is the perfect 
religion,then you go on to state that no one practices it.


Islam was the first religion on a legal basis to treat women as 
equals to men, giving them the right to divorce which is not 
granted by any other religion.__________________________________

 This is a joke right?Mohammad having sex with a child......is 
that part of the Islam ERA?(the rape of children as well as adult 
women...so that no one feels"left out"?)

Let's face it:Muslims and Christians can't stand each other,and 
the only reason the Muslims have not attacked before is because 
we have the weapons of mass destruction in OUR hands,and while 
terrorists can kill a few thousand at a time,we can take out 
hundreds of thousands at a stroke,so as you face Mecca one of 
these evenings,you might want to thank Allah that we haven't 
decided to declare OUR jihad.

Believe it or not, I can read. That being the case, I picked up 
some pamhplets on the subject at hand at a local Mosque. Not 
surprisingly I was asked a lot of questions I bullshitted my way 
thru. Low and behold, they spout watered down versions of your 
rhetoric.

Now its my turn to ask if YOU can read! I specifically asked the 
question (condensed version): Where is the Muslim OUTRAGE at 
those fellow Muslims that commit terrorist acts in the name of 
Allah and Islam? IF a Christian group of simple boy scouts spray 
painted graffiti on a building and were caught, they would be 
catch more hell than the Muslim world gives the terrorists. I 
think I know why, and you may very well KNOW why!

Why the US didn't take Germany, Italy, Nothern Africa and Japan 
as states of the US during the second world war is beyond me. If 
we owned all that sand nigger territory, we'd have all the oil 
we could ever need and there would be none of this muslim SHIT 
because they'd be US christian citizens.

We saved these peoples asses in the second world war, we put the 
lives of our men on the lines, so we should by natural right 
have these territories under the US flag. If we had done the 
right thing in the first place, the commies and China would 
never have been a threat.

We should have taken France, for that matter.

Saddam Hussein is Yazidi.  Beware!        

Which Christian cleric told you this rubbish!!!

or did you make it up??? - you DID didn't you.

Well you've made yourself look like an idiot and that is all
best regards.

P.S. get a life 

I've been to many mosques in 3 different continents, met 
hundreds of Muslims and I have'nt yet heard this so called 
terrorist rhetoric??, your not telling fibs are you??

The guy who heads the extreemist religious group in the UK was 
chucked out on to the street after he started preaching 
terrorist rhetoric now he preaches litterally on the street to 
a massive crowd of 5 (yes five) people.

There are 1400 mosques in the UK 2 of these perphaps are being 
used by extreemists similarly there are also 2 churches in the 
UK that have been overun by the KKK.  Therefore according to 
your logic all Christians are members of the KKK, I have to 
disagree, also you'll find that there are much, much, much, 
much more churches overun by the KKK in the good old US of A.

I don't know what your on, but I wouldn't mind some, whatever 
it is.

Yes I agree with your assesment of Saddam Hussein, I don't need 
to explain to you who George Bush is this is also the case for 
Saddam Hussein.  He used biological weapons on his own people 
and promptly within 1 year after this was given a 
$3 Billion income from the US state department, but lets not go 
into that??? 

The US has dropped the equivalant to 7.5 times the number of 
munitions that were dropped on Hiroshima, Japan - on Iraq.  
130,000 people have been killed in the bombing which even until 
today terrorises the population.  Every town, city and nomadic 
group in Iraq was bombed.  As well as schools, hospitals, 
churches, mosques.  Then there was the U.S. SANCTIONS which 
left 1.5 Million YES 1.5 MILLLION of Iraq's poorest children 
starved to DEATH in their own homes, I can understand therefore 
why you are so proud to be American!!! or perhaps not.  Anyway 
Bush is going back into Iraq, after crippling the Iraqi army 
for a generation, while the time frame of opportunity is there 
to finish the Genocide his father started in Iraq, and secure 
himself as the "President" more technically proficient would be 
the term "Dictator", but again lets not go into that!, but also 
the grandious title - "Pharoah of Iraq."  

TO THE MUSLIM READERS:

Make no mistake about it. You are nothing but a prisoner!  You 
don't have the freedom to leave Islam even if you had the 
dignity, integrity and self-respect to do so.  Do you know that 
your prayers go unanswered?  Do you know that strapping dynamite 
to your chest or on to the chest of your 12 year old son will 
send neither of you to Paradise to hump an endless stream of 
virgins?  All the bogus promises of an Islamic Heaven filled 
with young virgins (both little girls AND little boys) should be 
an insult to any sane human intelligence.  By the way, when was 
the last time an Islamic cleric, mullah, Grand Mufti or a fat 
pedophile like Arafat ever volunteered to blow HIMSELF up?  
Believe me, THEY are a lot smarter than you!!!

Do you realize that your Islamic cult's ONLY enduring claim to 
fame is prefaced upon the utter injustice to others who do not 
share its Islamic cultist beliefs?  The cult you worship was a 
cult created by the psychopathic pedaphile "Mohammed" and spread 
in all directions by his gangs of like-minded freaks bent on 
plunder, murder, vandalism, mayhem, rape and pillage.  And this 
is the same fate awaiting those few non-Muslims unfortunate 
enough to still reside in areas under Islamic control today!  
Such is the sad state of affairs in ALL Islamic-dominated 
lands.  Is THIS what makes you a proud Muslim? 

 
Look around you... 

 ... which of the forty or so Islamic nations do you most 
admire? Are there ANY without abject poverty, utter devastation, 
endemic corruption, extreme economic inequities and grotesque 
injustices? And what would ANY of them be if it were not for all 
the oil lying beneath them... oil discovered by others, pumped 
out by others and transported out by others! 

The fact is that NON-Muslims live far better in this world and 
certainly enjoy infinitely more physical, emotional and 
spiritual freedoms!  Even your enemy, Israel... despite all your 
vicious attempts to terrorize her, to have the world boycott her 
and to pressure the stinking U.N. to isolate her... has a far 
higher standard of living and a more vibrant society and 
lifestyle. The misery of the Arab peoples, which remain 
disproportionately illiterate, jobless and illiterate, is not 
the fault of any Westerner (and certainly not Israel)... but 
rather the doing of their own unelected leaders who have 
squandered the vast mineral and oil riches within which their 
lands have been blessed.  You praise Allah for this? 

Simply put... If you had the ability to un-clog your brainwashed 
minds, you would acknowledge the Truth that Islam IS definitely 
the worse form of racism and fast becoming synonymous 
with "terrorism" itself!  And terrorized are YOU too and you 
will  continue to be terrorized for the rest of your miserable 
blind existence... unless you face this reality.

What you say is true, but only to those who use religious 
sources outside the Quran, which condemns all acts of tranny, 
oppression and aggression and advocates 1) absolute Freedom of 
religion, 2) Gauranteed Human Rights, 3) Freedom of speech and 
Expression, 4) freedom to trade, 5) freedom to travel.  If 
God's laws are violated then well you can see the result.

What you say about the Middle East and its leaders and the 
tyrannical scholars is also true but the leaders of these 
countries are illegitamate regimes proped up by Washington.

Israel is to blame for some of the situation in the Middle East 
it IS a neo-Facist, Aparteid state, run by a genocidal mass 
murderer General Arial Sharon.  Its army according to 20,000 
Israelis who protested against it accusing it of being "a 
terrorist organisation."  If you are a Jew you automatically 
gain a Israeli passport, some Jews do not accept it because 
they are ashamed of what Israel has become i.e. a state that 
Hitler would have been proud of.  The Israeli cabinet spends 
most of its time figuring out new ways to ethnically cleanse 
the Palestinians saying that they are "like cockloaches in a 
jar" and "Animals that walk on two legs."  The chief Rabi in 
Israel has said that "the Gehym (non-Jewish) should be removed 
from Israel" or as I would put it ethnically cleansed.

I think the targeting of innocent civilians and suicide 
bombings which are both condemned in the Quran are the reason 
why a mere 3 Million Jews continuously defeat 150 Million 
Muslims, aside from the fact that I think most Muslims are 
idolworshipers for various reasons.

The "Talmud" which is what I, and even some Jews call Jewish 
Supremist Hate literature is law in Israel.  Basically it says 
that you don't have to be fair when dealing with non-Jews and 
it is not a sinfull act to kill non-Jews!!!  

PERHAPS ITS TIME YOU WOKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE YOURSELF??? 

Wow! That was some B.S. filled hissy-fit you thru about Iraq 
above. 130,000 killed in 10 years of allied bombing? Please 
think before you post such imbacilic rehtoric! It would take a 
LOT of bombing in ten years to hit that number, not the self-
defence air-strikes in the no-fly zones. By the way, the most 
recent air-strikes are purposefull. Scratch one Chinese silkworm 
missle battery and scratch several Iraqi military 
command/control and communication facilities. Its called 
clearing the path! A path on which democracy and freedom will be 
delivered to the Iraqi people. A path that will deliver the 
needed medicines and food that Saddam's regime withholds from 
those who dare step out of line with the dictator. Yes, Saddam 
is a dictator, Iraq has no presidential elections. The stupitity 
of calling George Bush a dictator speaks volumes about the level 
of indoctrination you have recieved. Now Clinton was a real Dick 
w/o the tator! Every 4 years an election is held in the U.S.A. 
to choose a president, explain where you read dictator into that.

The U.S. has 1 Whitehouse for the president. Saddam has 21 
elaboratly decorated palaces and will spend Iraqs last dime to 
aquire weapons to enhance the effects of the Viagra he needs. I 
highly doubt this escapes the attention of ALL the Iraqi people! 
In fact I would bet they are damn sick of seeing his big fuckin' 
head plastered on every building. The deal is done, Saddam's 
version of Iraq is toast. Only the cooperating with the U.N. can 
save his worthless ass now, maybe. Iran seems to be changing for 
the better of their own accord and will be happy to see Saddam & 
sons go the way of the dinosour.

Every town, city and nomadic group in Iraq was bombed.  As well 
as schools, hospitals,  churches, mosques.  Then there was the 
U.S. SANCTIONS which left 1.5 Million YES 1.5 MILLLION of Iraq's 
poorest children starved to DEATH in their own homes,____________

 WOW!The really STRANGE part about your"facts"is that,while 
U.S.sanctions have made it so that no medicine or hospital 
supplies have been able to enter Iraq,Saddam has been able to 
sneak in enough weapons to re-arm his country!Let's see.....he 
can't sneak any boxes of medicine in,but a tank is no problem?
OK damn.......how about putting a few boxes of medical supplies 
IN the tanks when they ship them in?Too much trouble?Hmmmn....
 Let's try to figure this........well......on the one hand Saddam 
 can't come up with a plan to supply hospitals....but on the 
other......he HAS found the time to write two 
books!WOW!!!TWO!!!Probably been to busy with rewrites to help the 
citizens of Iraq out much.........
 Yep,it's hard to worry very much about feeding people,and their 
children's health,when you've got much bigger problems to worry 
about:like buying tanks and anti-aircraft guns,and of course book 
publishing rights.

I am bursting with laughter here....the 2 books were 'romantic 
novels'! And *Saddman* even had time...LOL....to write a 
freekin' play~! And EVERYONE LOVED IT!! Two thumbs up all 
around! Imagine that!! All this fun while Iraqi babies are 
dieing, at the hand of U.S.?? sanctions! Its funny how a N can 
be easily converted to a S when its convienent to do so.

"Every town, city and nomadic group in Iraq was bombed.
As well as schools, hospitals,  churches, mosques".
------------------------------

HAHAHAH....IM STILL LAUGHING....SORRY TO POST AGAIN SO SOON......
BUT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE "BABY MILK FACTORY"!!!!

whats the big deal here life? what r u sayin? ~ sry i didnt get 
it all...(ima lil slow :: but i do see every1 is against u ~ so 
uh whats the prob ~ mayb i can help) :) HoLLa

Perhaps you can spread the "good word" of Sodom Hussein to the 
Kurds in the north.  You know, the ones he gasses and murders.  
It is time for Muslims everywhere to rise against Saddam and 
Osama, as well as those so-called Muslims in the Sudan who have 
murdered Christians- murdered them just because they refused to 
convert to Islam!  I appeal to you: where is the Muslim outrage 
over these atrocities?                  

Step aside. This may get ugly. LOL!!!!!!!!

Baby Milk Factory!!! LOL!!! I forgot about THAT one!
How could SOME people(ie.low-life for one) believe that poor Iraq 
can't buy demselves no food,but at the same time forget about the 
$25,000 checks to PLO families.

If you are a Jew you automatically gain a Israeli passport, some 
Jews do not accept it because  they are ashamed of what Israel 
has become i.e. a state that Hitler would have been proud of.    
 _______________________________________________________________

 Israel has become a state that Hitler would have been proud of.
          Let me repeat once again what you said,
 Israel has become a state that Hitler would have been proud of.

 Nevermind.Get out your little mat.Face Mecca.Bang your head on 
the floor 5 times.There you go.

 

 

Why don't you tell the Kurds yourself you're the ones who fund 
it.  I ONLY EVER USE IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

Didn't Hitler support neo-facist regimes well theres one is 
Israel now, and I think he would be surprised that after the 
Jews have told the world about the lessons to be learnt from 
the Halocaust they haven't learned anything from it 
themselves!!!

Muslims are outraged at the atrocities of Sadam Hussein, and 
ALL those you mentioned, I don't think you understand so I'll 
spell it out for you IF SADDAM ASKS YOU TO JUMP - YOU ASK HOW 
HIGH???, anything else will result in immediant EXECUTION.  
Saddam recently held a presidential election in Iraq where he 
got 99.9% of the vote, those 40 people who were blind enough or 
stupid enough to put the vote in the wrong ballot box were 
gunned down instantly!!!

Why after the equivalant of 7.5 atomic bomb drops on Iraq are 
you still trying to get Saddam Hussein? How did you let Osama 
Bin Laden get away, Hell, Mullah Omar got away from the 
Northern Alliance and from the US airforce on a Vespa Moped?

WHY WHEN I CONDEMN HUSSEIN, DO YOU THINK I SUPPORT HIM?
WHY WHEN I CONDEMN ACTS OF TRANNY, OPRESSION & AGRESSION, DO 
YOU THINK I SUPPORT THEM?
WHY WHEN I CONDEMN TERRORISM DO YOU THINK I AM A TERRORIST?

Are you ALL insane OR just STUPID?

Yes I do pray 5 times a day preserving the ancient rites of the 
Prophet Abraham (1) Monethisitic belief (2) the contact prayer, 
(3) fasting during the 9th lunar month, (4) giving obligatory 
charity @ 2.5% of regular income, (5) Hajj - pilgrimage to 
Mecca to comemorate the Prophet Abraham's exemplory submission 
to the will of GOD ALONE, which were practised by ALL the 
prophets of Israel and by JESUS.  Contempory and Samaritan Jews 
pray nearly in identical fashion but only on "special" 
occaisions.  Why is there a reference to Hajj in the 84 psalm, 
why is Mohammad mentioned in the Bible (only in the Hebrew 
versions OF COURSE!!! I can give you the 
translitteration "HICCO MEMITO KIM VIE KULU MOHAMMAD IM ZE DO 
DEE WA ZERHEE BAYNA JERUSALEM" = "oh yea he is so sweet his 
name is Mohammad and he is my friend oh daugthers of 
Jerusalem), this can be found in the Song of Soloman [damn I 
had to loose the reference didn't I].  In fact the leading 
Rabbis in the world went to see the Sultan of Qatar (who 
apparently represents 1 billion Muslims [first time I've heard 
of him, nor can I remember voting for him]) and they said "it 
was obvious the Quran is from God" all Jews would convert to 
Islam if all the bad things written about Jews in the Quran 
were removed such as 1) the Jews constantly defied Gods 
commands 2) they gave back handers to change the Torah (in fact 
the verse in the OT saying that Jesus was to be the next 
prophet to come was removed 100 years before the birth of Jesus 
by Jews who still regard Jesus as a Mad man, this is also what 
ironically Christians think of Mohammad even though all Muslims 
believe in Jesus!!! 

The Revised Version of the Bible, which is the MOST ACCURATE 
Bible in the world, translated by 32 SCHOLARS OF THE HIGHEST 
EMINENCE from the MOST ANCIENT SCRIPTURES, backed by FIFTY-TWO 
DENOMINATIONS of the Christian Church cannot be found in any 
church.  

Because it takes out what is in error-ridden Bibles such as the 
ubiqutous King James version that it replaces! 50,000 errors 
were discovered in the King James version of the Bible, 
including the verse of the TRINITY, JESUS'S ACSENTION INTO 
HEAVEN, JESUS BEING THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD [God forgive me for 
such blashpheme].  Which makes Christianity redundant and 
supports the view that has been represented in the Quran for 
1400 years, which the Christians have been mocking.

Thats not to mention that Christianity is the religion of John 
NOT Jesus (who claimed to be the son of man and said "worship 
my Lord and your Lord! [this is also mentioned in the Quran]).  
Wait! it gets better John was born 150 years after Jesus, so 
how can he author the Gospel, which was meant to be delieved by 
Jesus?, Luke says "I have seen some things written for some 
time past, so I thought I would write an orderly account for 
you most excellent Theophellis" i.e. he was writting a 
biography of Jesus he DID NOT claim to be inspired.  Matthew 
and Luke 85% of what they wrote they copied Mark who was 
according to all accounts a 14 year old boy who wasn't there!!! 
if that makes any sense to you then please all answers in on a 
post card.  There is are 32 Gospels the 4 that have been chosen 
were the "best fit" for the policies of the Pope at the time!

Churches were INVENTED in 200 A.D. and the doctorine of the 
trinity was INVENTED in 325 A.D. by the Greeks who had a thing 
for trident Gods, So did the Iranis who at the time believed in 
Mythra who was born like a human died as a sacrafice to forgive 
the sins who believed in him and was born on 25th of December?

The REAL Christians at the time like the 7 sleepers of Ephesus 
(who believed that Jesus was a phrophet of God) were running 
away from the NEO-Christians who promoted the Trinity, anyone 
who didn't comply was litterally pushed of the edge of a cliff? 
at this point in Christianity 50% of people the "Christians" 
believed that Jesus was a prophet and usually met a gruesome 
end, thanks to the "NEO-Christians" who promulgated that "Jesus 
was the Son of God. [God forgive my blaspheme]"

The view that "Jesus was the Son of God" is denied by the 
revised version of the Bible which was originally printed in 
the 1930's.  Unfortuantly 32 scholars of the highest eminence 
DO NOT come cheap therefore because the missionaries didn't 
have a conversion line i.e. "Jesus died for your sins", perhaps 
most people would think that they would be more worried about 
the fact that their religion doesn't technically exist 
according to Jesus's quotes in the Bible or by the RSV of the 
Bible itself!!! BUT NO, instead they demanded that the verse of 
the ascention be put back into the bible so that the publishers 
could make a killing.  So in 1972 the verse of the ascention 
was put back into the Bible, sure it was an innovation, an 
error that had been made up, but hey come on the publishers 
made a buck to 2 didn't they, good for the economy if not 
anything else!

As for Islam, 44 I have given you enough information about 
Islam so much so in fact that you probably know more about the 
current issues with regard to Islam than the top "Scholars" in 
Iran! so decide for yourself what is Islamic and what isn't, 
God in the Quran also condemns all bad behaviour? 

My brother has Just asked me "why are you talking to these 
people?" I have to say he has a point, Goodbye and have a nice 
summer!  

Thanks be to your brother!
Your"wisdom"leads me to believe your culture has yet to discover 
fire,or the wheel.
 I must thank you for your words,I understand a little better now 
why your brothers in Islam spend so much time in caves.

i will stay out...







but aint those "new" bibles a bunch of crap?? 









man this is a bunch of crap ~ i wish my bro would ask me y i was 
talkin to yall... ~ i'd  say ~ it's FuN !! hehe Holla 














Islam ~ Crazy???

hey i just read tha first message like i said ~ ima LIL slow ~ 
is he sayin USA is to blame for 911???!!! aw man dont MAKE me 
get in this LIL boy!!

If america are no.1 then how come your goverment had warnings of 
terrorist attacks and done nothing except put the cittizens in 
danger as a result of not taking any notice.You americans that 
you are the rulers of the world but yet you were defeated by one 
of the poor countries, that shows how strong your country is. 

You all think the world is made up of just your country well you 
are wrong and u are all (americans)doing my fucking head in,u 
keep sayin that you are all the best and that nobody in the 
world could beat you thats why the whole of your country was so 
shocked at 9/11 you were finally beaten when you least 
expected.i thought i hated America but after what happened on 
9/11 i realised why it happened but you dont.It is the way you 
all think that your country was the first one on the world and 
you think that you the unbeatable although i dont adore your 
country i dont want your country or any other country to go 
through what yours went through on 9/11,but if you keep acting 
the way you ALL have since 9/11 you will be left with more 
people hating your country than standing by it.
 

Just so you know, you mouthy little asshole, I really don't 
give a shit whether you love us or not.  I like Britain because 
it is free enough to tolerate even useless little shits like you.  
I believe in my country (U.S.A.).  I'm both thankful for and 
proud of it.  The fact that you can't have your way by making us 
hate ourselves only proves what an immature little brat you are.  
Perhaps it's time for mummy to powder your butt, mate.       

man, dont be jealous that you're not as good as us...we are 
without one selfish doubt no.1 and u adn ur lil "they think they 
r better and kno it but i wont ever let em think that" country 
can kiss my pretty white ass ~ 

YES WE HAVE MADE MISTAKES BUT THATS OUR FAULT STAY THA FUCK 
OUTTA IT ~ 

we were n danger?? LoL i didnt kno...wow...an attack...we all 
gone die...we werent defeated honey...it was a slight mistake 
planned by God to get us on the right track...Amen...we NEEDED 
it...cuz now, everybody gone be talkin bout how weak we r :: 
perfect example :: and we gone start kickin ass like we ALWAYS 
do...we aint weak but we aint stronger than God's work...which 
is awsome... :D ...





we were shocked yes ~ but it could have happened ne~where ~ and 
just becuz it happened here doesnt mean u could rag...u kno we 
help every1 out and NO ONE is there for us...ya kno that?? i 
mean if it would have been u AMERICA would have been the FIRST 
to step in to help! so take ur lil sorry ass on....


~~~~~ ~ ~ !~~ ~~ WE ACT LIKE WE ALL THAT CUZ WE R ~ WE ARE FIRST 
TO HELP PEOPLE ~ YET NO ONE THINKS HIGHLY ENOUGH OF US TO 
REALIZE THAT...THAT IS SAD! ~ ! I MEAN GEZ, IF AMERICA WOULDNT 
HAVE HELPED IN A LOT OF THIS WARS IN THE PAST...TELLINGS WHAT 
YOU'D BE IN NOW U LIL TRAMP IN A LAMP!!!  SO STOP ACTIN LIKE WE 
ALL BAD...AND GIVE SOME FUCKIN RESPECT...CUZ U TAKE OUR GOOD PUT 
IT AGAINST OUR MISTAKES...U'LL SEE WHAT I MEAN... ~ ~~ ~ ~~ 







BY THE WAY WAT GOOD R U?







                   WE'LL HoLLa

why is every one so upset on this board?
whats the big fuckin deal?
some of you are sayin that America is the greatest, some say 
that America sucks.
its pretty obvious that the Americans arn't going to be 
convinced no matter how good the argument, look at their biased 
news service, patriotism is forced down their throats from day 
one.  the majority of Americans have a worped world view, that 
is clear from the hateful comments on this board.

you dont like Osoma, cool not many people do, but how does this 
hate translate into hate for islam or arabs?

you believe your war against Iraq is to 'free' the people, thats 
not true your going to war for oil and to support America's neo 
colonial policies.

Islamic defenders, why do u give a fuck wot these hicks have to 
say, remember they may talk about crimes  by your religion over 
the centuries, but they dont even know about the terrible acts 
of Christian people and governements for over 2000 years.

ignorance is the cause of hate, and hate is why America has 
caused so much woe on other nations, and why so much woe has 
been done to it.

So, did you want to vent your frustrations on the board, or 
display your histrionic tendencies?  Your disdain for America is 
worth exactly what it costs: nothing.                    

no i just wanted to see if id get a reply, i was bored and dont 
really care that much

wanted a reply ~ GoT iT :: 






WhOa ~ i NEVER said nething about Islamic poeple ~ i could care 
less about who follows what religion...(they've been told the 
truth whether they follow it or not) America did have a fucked 
up gov. yes...and still does i guess ~ but its gonna get better 
(UNLESS God dont want it to...) OIL!!! we have said we didNT 
want to go to war becuz of oil...did we not Mrs. Greer?? ~ ThAnK 
yOu...and you actin like Americans aint got no right to be 
pissed...well FUCK that...i believe there ARE PLENTY of other 
countries out there speakin on this board in a rude way....~ 
URSELF INCLUDED ~ AND ME :: NO DOUBT :: 


look at you...talkin to us like u kno everything about us...u 
see me dissin u ~cept bout wat u have SAID??~ NaW ~
HICKS!!! HE SAID HICKS!!!!! HE MUST KNOW ABOUT WE ON DA 
SOUTHSIDE 4SHO ~ HONEY...HICK AINT NOTHIN BAD...I MEAN IF IT WAS 
WOULD I CALL MYSELF A COUNTRY HICK?? LAWD NAW...so hush lil baby 
go suck a dick...

u said sumthing like Christians and gov...right?? ~ well NOT ALL 
AMERICANS are Christians...most of them prob dont give a 
fuck....beina "Christian" ~ wit my own views of my religion ~ 
that pissed me off too...those people who r doin those so called 
bad things arent Christians...they may claim to be but they 
aint....

ignorance...such a harsh word when used incorrectly


                    IMA B OUT NOW
                       !HOLLA!

Yeah...                  

I almost agree with me, whether he cares or not. You want 
to talk about it?

naw

What, specifically, do you almost agree with?                    

I agree with everything exept that i do consider it as a big 
deal and i don't want to generalize Americand just like any 
other kind of poeple. i met a friendly one today on my way to 
school who thinks different tha some of the people i hear on 
this board

hmmm iam really a nice person believe it or not...voted shiest 4 
6 yrs!! wont hear it much but....sry

in the first message it says "have it your way" i 
thought... ::this isnt burger king::

Not everyone in the U.S. is a hate-monger.  Not all of us are 
rednecks who scream racial epithets just to be heard.  In WWII, 
Germany's propaganda people told the German people and their 
military that the Americans were all a bunch of gum-chewing 
gangsters from places like Chicago.  Most Americans don't hate 
people from the middle east EXCEPT for those who commit acts of 
terror, or who support such acts.                     

I'm not an German so what do i have to do with that?

U.S. War Crimes in Iraq

A Report on United States War Crimes Against Iraq to the 
Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal

By Ramsey Clark and Others
 
Index of Crimes
The United States engaged in a pattern of conduct beginning in 
or before 1989 intended to lead Iraq into provocations 
justifying U.S. military action against Iraq and permanent U.S. 
military domination of the Gulf. 
President Bush from August 2, 1990 intended and acted to 
prevent any interference with his plan to destroy Iraq 
economically and militarily. 
President Bush ordered the destruction of facilities essential 
to civilian life and economic productivity throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed civilian 
life, commercial and business districts, schools, hospitals, 
mosques, churches, shelters, residential areas, historical 
sites, private vehicles and civilian government offices. 
The United States intentionally bombed indiscriminately 
throughout Iraq. 
The United States intentionally bombed and destroyed Iraqi 
military personnel, used excessive force, killed soldiers 
seeking to surrender and in disorganised individual flight, 
often unarmed and far from any combat zones and randomly and 
wantonly killed Iraqi soldiers and destroyed materiel after the 
cease fire.
The United States used prohibited weapons capable of mass 
destruction and inflicting indiscriminate death and unnecessary 
suffering against both military and civilian targets. 
The United States intentionally attacked installations in Iraq 
containing dangerous substances and forces. 
President Bush ordered U.S. forces to invade Panama, resulting 
in the deaths of 1,000 to 4,000 Panamanians and the destruction 
of thousands of private dwellings, public buildings, and 
commercial structures. 
President Bush obstructed justice and corrupted United Nations 
functions as a means of securing power to commit crimes against 
peace and war crimes. 
President Bush usurped the Constitutional power of Congress as 
a means of securing power to commit crimes against peace, war 
crimes, and other high crimes. 
The United States waged war on the environment. 
President Bush encouraged and aided Shiite Muslims and Kurds to 
rebel against the government of Iraq causing fratricidal 
violence, emigration, exposure, hunger and sickness and 
thousands of deaths. After the rebellion failed, the U.S. 
invaded and occupied parts of Iraq without authority in order 
to increase division and hostility within Iraq. 
President Bush intentionally deprived the Iraqi people of 
essential medicines, potable water, food, and other 
necessities. 
The United States continued its assault on Iraq after the cease 
fire, invading and occupying areas at will. 
The United States has violated and condoned violations of human 
rights, civil liberties and the U.S. Bill of Rights in the 
United States, in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to achieve 
its purpose of military domination. 
The United States, having destroyed Iraq's economic base, 
demands reparations, which will permanently impoverish Iraq and 
threaten its people with famine and epidemic.
 
President Bush systematically manipulated, controlled, 
directed, misinformed and restricted press and media coverage 
to obtain constant support in the media for his military and 
political goals. 
The United States has by force secured a permanent military 
presence in the Gulf, the control of its oil resources and 
geopolitical domination of the Arabian Peninsula and Gulf 
region. 
 
Initial Complaint 
Charging
George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker, 
Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell, 
Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named 
With 
Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against
Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in
Violation of the Charter of the United Nations,
International Law, the Constitution of the United States
and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Final Judgement:
International War Crimes Tribunal
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting 
in New York, have carefully considered the Initial Complaint of 
the Commission of Inquiry dated May 6, 1991 against President 
George H. W. Bush, Vice President J. Danforth Quayle, Secretary 
of Defense Richard Cheney, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf Commander of 
the Allied Forces in the Persian Gulf, and others named in the 
Complaint charging them with nineteen separate crimes against 
peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity in violation of 
the Charter of the United Nations, the 1949 Geneva Conventions, 
the First Protocol thereto, and other international agreements 
and customary international law: 
having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgement regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 
having heard the testimony from various Commissions of Inquiry 
hearings held within their own countries and/or elsewhere 
during the past year and having received reports from numerous 
other Commission hearings which recite the evidence there 
gathered; 
having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
statements, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Commission; 
having access to all evidence, knowledge, and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission; 
having been provided by the Commission, or elsewhere obtained, 
various books, articles, and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in the Persian Gulf and 
military and arms establishments; 
having considered newspaper coverage, magazine and periodical 
reports, special publications, T.V., radio, and other media 
coverage and public statements by the accused, other public 
officials and other public materials; 
having heard the presentations of the Commission of Inquiry in 
public hearing on February 29, 1992, the testimony and evidence 
there presented; and having met, considered and deliberated 
with each other and with Commission staff and having considered 
all the evidence that is relevant to the nineteen charges of 
criminal conduct alleged in the Initial Complaint make the 
following findings. 
Findings
The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each 
of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence 
against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to 
have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt. 
The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to 
be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we 
condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of 
the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all 
people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to 
hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which 
lasting peace must be based. 
Recommendations
The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against Iraq because they constitute a 
continuing crime against humanity. 
The Members urge public action to prevent new aggressions by 
the United States threatened against Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Haiti, 
North Korea, Pakistan and other countries and the Palestine 
people; fullest condemnation of any threat or use of military 
technology against life, both civilian and military, as was 
used by the United States against the people of Iraq. 
The Members urge that the power of the United Nations Security 
Council, which was blatantly manipulated by the U.S. to 
authorise illegal military action and sanctions, be vested in 
the General Assembly; that all permanent members be removed and 
that the right of veto be eliminated as undemocratic and 
contrary to the basic principles of the U.N. Charter. 
The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence, and materials gathered 
to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide 
the widest possible distribution of the truth about the U.S. 
assault on Iraq. 
Charges of Other Countries
In accordance with the last paragraph of the Initial Complaint 
designated Scope of Inquiry, the Commission has gathered 
substantial evidence of criminal acts by governments and 
individual officials in addition to those formally presented 
here. Formal charges have been drafted by some Commissions of 
Inquiry against other governments in addition to the United 
States. Those charges have not been acted upon here. The 
Commission of Inquiry or any of its national components may 
choose to pursue such other charges at some future time. The 
Members urge all involved to exert their utmost effort to 
prevent recurrences of violations by other governments that 
were not considered here. 
Done in New York this 29th day of February, 1992. 
(signed) 
Olga Mejia, Panama 
President of the National Human Rights Commission in Panama, a 
non-governmental body representing peasants' organisations, 
urban trade unions, women's groups and others. 
  
Sheik Mohamed Rashid, Pakistan 
Former deputy prime minister. Long-term political prisoner 
during the struggle against British colonialism and activist 
for workers' and peasants' rights. 
  
Dr. Haluk Gerger, Turkey 
Founding member of Turkish Human Rights Association and 
professor of political science. Dismissed from Ankara 
University by military government. 
  
Susumu Ozaki, Japan 
Former judge and pro-labour attorney imprisoned 1934-1938 for 
violating Security Law under militarist government for opposing 
Japan's invasion of China. 
  
Michael Ratner, USA 
Attorney, former director of the Centre for Constitutional 
Rights, past president of the National Lawyers Guild. 
  
Lord Tony Gifford, Britain 
Human rights lawyer practising in England and Jamaica. 
Investigated human rights abuses in British-occupied Ireland. 
  
Rene Dumont, France 
Argonomist, ecologist, specialist in agriculture of developing 
countries, author. His 45th book, This War Dishonours Us, 
appears in 1992. 
  
Bassam Haddadin, Jordan 
Member of Parliament, Second Secretary for the Jordanian 
Democratic Peoples Party. Member of Parliamentary Committee on 
Palestine. 
  
Dr. Sherif Hetata, Egypt 
Medical Doctor, author, member of the Central Committee of the 
Arab Progressive Unionist Party. Political prisoner 14 years in 
1950s and 1960s. 
  
Deborah Jackson, USA 
First vice president of the American Association of Jurists, 
former director of National Conference of Black Lawyers. 
  
Opato Matarmah, Menominee Nation of North America 
Involved in defence of human rights of indigenous peoples since 
1981. Represented the International Indian Treaty Council at 
the Commission of Human Rights at the U.N. 
  
Laura Albizu, Campos Meneses, Puerto Rico 
Past President of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party and 
current Secretary for Foreign Relations. Honorary president of 
Peace Council. 
  
Aisha Nyerere, Tanzania 
Resident Magistrate of the High Court in Arusha, Tanzania. 
Researched the impact of the Gulf war on East Africa. 
  
Peter Leibovtich, Canada 
President of United Steel Workers of America, USWA, Local 8782 
and of the Executive Council of the Ontario Federation of 
Labour. 
  
John Philpot, Quebec 
Attorney, member of Board of Directors of Quebec Movement for 
Sovereignty. Organising Secretary for the American Association 
of Jurist in Canada. 
  
John Jones, USA 
Community leader in the state of New Jersey. Vietnam veteran 
who became leader of movement against U.S. attack on Iraq. 
  
Gloria La Riva, USA 
Founding member of the Farm workers Emergency Relief Committee 
and Emergency Committee to Stop the U.S. War in the Middle East 
in San Francisco. 
  
Key Martin, USA 
Member of Executive Committee of Local 3 of the Newspaper Guild 
in New York. Jailed in 1967 for taking message of Bertrand 
Russell Tribunal on Vietnam to active duty Gls. 
  
Dr. Alfred Mechtersheimer, Germany 
Former member of the Bundestag from the Green Party. Former 
Lieutenant Colonel in the Bundeswher; current peace researcher. 
  
Abderrazak Kilani, Tunisia 
Tunisian Bar Association. Former President, Association of 
Young Lawyers; founding member, National Committee to Lift the 
Embargo from Iraq. 
  
Tan Sri Ahmad Noordin bin Zakaria, Malaysia 
Former Auditor General of Malaysia. Known throughout his 
country for battling corruption in government. 
  
P. S. Poti, India 
Former Chief Justice of the Gujarat High Court. In 1989 elected 
president of the All-India Lawyers Union. 

Copyright   1992 by The Commission of Inquiry for the 
International War Crimes Tribunal 

Korea War Crimes Tribunal Finds U.S. Government Guilty

 

On June 23rd, in New York City, the Korea International War 
Crimes Tribunal condemned the U.S. Government for its crimes 
committed against the people of Korea from 1945-2001. The 
tribunal found the U.S. government guilty on 19 counts of War 
Crimes, Crimes Against Peace, and Crimes Against Humanity for 
its actions in Korea from 1945 to the present. 
The tribunal, which heard testimony from eyewitnesses and 
survivors of massacres carried out by the U.S. military during 
the Korean War (1950-53), was organized by the Korean Truth 
Commission. The commission was formed in May 2000 by 
representatives from both north and south Korea as well as from 
overseas Korean communities. In addition, representatives from 
the U.S. and the 15 other countries, which took part in the war 
of aggression against Korea, took part in the tribunal. 
Participants in the tribunal presented their findings to the 
United Nations in New York on July 24th, and then on the 
following day led a caravan to Washington D.C. for a protest 
rally and march to the White House. 
Below we reprint the final judgement of the tribunal, issued on 
June 23rd. 


THE KOREA INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL
The Final Judgment 


The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal, 
meeting in New York, having considered the Indictment for 
Offenses Committed by the Government of the United States of 
America Against the People of Korea, 1945-2001, which charges 
all U.S. Presidents, all Secretaries of State, all Secretaries 
of Defense, all Secretaries of the armed services, all Chiefs 
of Staff, all heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and 
other U.S. foreign intelligence agencies, all Directors of the 
National Security Agency, all National Security Advisors, all 
U.S. military commanders in Korea and commanders of units which 
participated in war crimes, over the period from 1945 to the 
present, with nineteen separate War Crimes, Crimes Against 
Peace and Crimes Against Humanity in violation of the Charter 
of the United Nations, the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal, 
the Hague Regulations of 1907, the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the 
1929 and 1949 Geneva Conventions, the Convention on the 
Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948, 
other international agreements and customary international law, 
the laws of the United States, the laws of Korea and the laws 
of other nations that have been forced to provide bases, 
support and military personnel for United States actions 
against Korea;


Having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit 
in judgment regarding violations of international humanitarian 
law; 


Having heard the testimony from various hearings of the Korea 
Truth Commission held over the past year and having received 
evidence from various other Commission hearings which recite 
the evidence there gathered; 


Having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness 
testimonies, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert 
analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Korea Truth 
Commission; 


Having access to all evidence, knowledge and expert opinion in 
the Commission files or available to the Commission staff; 


Having considered the Report from the Korean Truth Commission 
(South) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean War, providing 
eyewitness accounts by survivors of massacres of civilians in 
farming villages in southern Korea by U.S. military forces 
during the 1950-53 war; 


Having considered the Report from the Democratic People s 
Republic of Korea (DPRK) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean 
War, prepared by the Investigation Committee of the National 
Front for Democratic Reunification, providing details on war 
crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the north by 
the U.S. from June to December 1950; 


Having been provided by the Commission, or otherwise obtained, 
various books, articles and other written materials on various 
aspects of events and conditions in Korea, and in the military 
and arms establishments; 


Having heard the presentations of the Korea Truth Commission in 
public hearing on June 23, 2001, and the testimony, evidence 
and summaries there presented; 


Having considered the testimonies of those Koreans denied visas 
to personally attend the hearings by the governments of the 
U.S. and the Republic of Korea (ROK), but presented in the form 
of videotaped interviews and documents; 


Having been informed that the Korea Truth Commission gave ample 
opportunity to U.S. government defendants to attend and present 
evidence in their defense, which up to the moment of this 
verdict they have been unable or unwilling to do; and 


Having met, considered and deliberated with each other and with 
Commission staff and having considered all the evidence that is 
relevant to the nineteen charges of criminal conduct alleged in 
the Initial Complaint, make the following Findings: 

The Members of the International War Crimes Tribunal find the 
accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them: each 
of the nineteen separate crimes alleged in the Initial 
Complaint has been established to have been committed beyond a 
reasonable doubt. The Members find these crimes to have 
occurred during three main periods in the U.S. intervention in 
and occupation of Korea.

The best-known period is from June 25, 1950, until July 27, 
1953, the "Korean War," when over 4.6 million Koreans perished, 
according to conservative Western estimates, including 3 
million civilians in the north and 500,000 civilians in the 
south. The evidence of U.S. war crimes presented to this 
Tribunal included eyewitness testimony and documentary accounts 
of massacres of thousands of civilians in southern Korea by 
U.S. military forces during the war. 
Abundant evidence was also presented concerning criminal and 
even genocidal U.S. conduct in northern Korea, including the 
systematic leveling of most buildings and dwellings by U.S. 
artillery and aerial bombardment; widespread atrocities 
committed by U.S. and R.O.K. forces against civilians and 
prisoners of war; the deliberate destruction of facilities 
essential to civilian life and economic production; and the use 
of illegal weapons and biological and chemical warfare by the 
U.S. against the people and the environment of northern Korea. 
Documentary and eyewitness evidence was also presented showing 
gross and systematic violence committed against women in 
northern and southern Korea, characterized by mass rapes, 
sexual assaults and murders.

Less known but of crucial importance in understanding the war 
period is the preceding five years, from the landing of U.S. 
troops in Korea on September 8, 1945, to the outbreak of the 
war. The Members of the Tribunal examined extensive evidence of 
U.S. crimes against peace and crimes against humanity in this 
period. 
The Members conclude that the U.S. government acted to divide 
Korea against the will of the vast majority of the people, 
limit its sovereignty, create a police state in southern Korea 
using many former collaborators with Japanese rule, and provoke 
tension and threats between southern and northern Korea, 
opposing and disrupting any plans for peaceful reunification. 

In this period the U.S. trained, directed and supported the ROK 
in systematic murder, imprisonment, torture, surveillance, 
harassment and violations of human rights of hundreds of 
thousands of people, especially of those individuals or groups 
considered nationalists, leftists, peasants seeking land 
reform, union organizers and/or those sympathetic to the north.

The Members find that in the period from July 1953 to the 
present, the U.S. has continued to maintain a powerful military 
force in southern Korea, backed by nuclear weapons, in 
violation of international law and intended to obstruct the 
will of the Korean people for reunification. 
Military occupation has been accompanied by the organized 
sexual exploitation of Korean women, frequently leading to 
violence and even murder of women by U.S. soldiers who have 
felt above the law. U.S.-imposed economic sanctions have 
impoverished and debilitated the people of northern Korea, 
leading to a reduction of life expectancy, widespread 
malnutrition and even starvation in a country that once 
exported food. 

The refusal of the U.S. government to grant visas to a 
delegation from the Democratic People s Republic of Korea who 
planned to attend this Tribunal only confirms the criminal 
intent of the defendants to isolate those whom they have abused 
to prevent them from telling their story to the world. In all 
these 55 years, the U.S. government has systematically 
manipulated, controlled, directed, misinformed and restricted 
press and media coverage to obtain consistent support for its 
military intervention, occupation and crimes against the people 
of Korea. It has also inculcated racist attitudes within the 
U.S. troops and general population that prepared them to commit 
and/or accept atrocities and genocidal policies against the 
Korean people.

It has violated the Constitution of the United States, the 
delegation of powers over war and the military, the Bill of 
Rights, the UN Charter, international law and the laws of the 
ROK, DPRK, People s Republic of China, Japan and many others, 
in its lawless determination to exercise its will over the 
Korean peninsula.

The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal hold 
the United States government and its leaders accountable for 
these criminal acts and condemn those found guilty in the 
strongest possible terms. Recommendations:

The Members call for the immediate end of U.S. occupation of 
all Korean territory, the removal of all U.S. bases, forces and 
materiel, including land mines, from the region, the 
rectification of environmental damage, and the cessation of 
overt and covert operations against northern Korea. 

The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, 
sanctions and penalties against northern Korea because they 
constitute a continuing crime against humanity.The Members call 
for emergency funds to be provided to the people of northern 
Korea through the Democratic People s Republic of Korea to feed 
the hungry and care for the sick, whose suffering is a direct 
result of U.S. policies.

The Members call for reparations to be paid by the U.S. 
government to all of Korea to compensate for the damage 
inflicted by 55 years of violence and economic warfare. The 
Members further call for an immediate end to all interference 
by the U.S. aimed at preventing the people of Korea from 
reunifying as they choose.

The Members call for the U.S. government to make full 
disclosure of all information about U.S. crimes and wrongful 
acts committed in Korea since September 7, 1945.

The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent 
preservation of the reports, evidence and materials gathered to 
make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the 
widest possible distribution of the truth about U.S. crimes in 
Korea. We urge all people of the world to act on 
recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power 
accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace 
must be based. Done in New York this 23rd day of June, 2001.

VIETNAM WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL in to the alleged War Crimes 
ordered by the United States Government

Verdict of the [first] Stockholm Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal, during the session held 
at Stockholm from 2 to 10 May 1967, studied the two following 
questions included in its programme, adopted in London on 15 
November 1966: 

Has the United States Government (and the Governments of 
Australia, New Zealand and South Korea) committed acts of 
aggression according to international law? Has there been 
bombardment of targets of a purely civilian character, for 
example hospitals, schools, sanatoria, dams, etc., and on what 
scale has this occurred?
Having heard the qualified representatives of the Democratic 
Republic of Vietnam and noted the official refusal of the 
government of the United States of America to make known its 
point of view, and this despite the various appeals addressed 
to it;
Having heard the various reporters, the experts, numerous 
witnesses, including members of the investigating teams which 
it had itself sent to Vietnam, as well as Vietnamese victims of 
the war;
Having examined several written, photographic and 
cinematographic documents, together with numerous exhibits... 
considers itself able to take the following decisions. 

Verdict of the Tribunal


Has the Government of the United States committed acts of 
aggression against Vietnam under the terms of international law?
Yes (unanimously). 

Has there been, and if so, on what scale, bombardment of purely 
civilian targets, for example, hospitals, schools, medical 
establishments, dams, etc?
Yes (unanimously).
We find the government and armed forces of the United States 
are guilty of the deliberate, systematic and large-scale 
bombardment of civilian targets, including civilian 
populations, dwellings, villages, dams, dikes, medical 
establishments, leper colonies, schools, churches, pagodas, 
historical and cultural monuments.
We also find unanimously, with one abstention, that the 
government of the United States of America is guilty of 
repeated violations of the sovereignty, neutrality and 
territorial integrity of Cambodia, that it is guilty of attacks 
against the civilian population of a certain number of 
Cambodian towns and villages. 

Have the governments of Australia, New Zealand and South Korea 
been accomplices of the United States in the aggression against 
Vietnam in violation of international law?
Yes (unanimously).
The question also arises as to whether or not the governments 
of Thailand and other countries have become accomplices to acts 
of aggression or other crimes against Vietnam and its 
populations. We have not been able to study this question 
during the present session. We intend to examine at the next 
session legal aspects of the problem and to seek proofs of any 
incriminating facts.
Endorsed ne variatur
The President of the Tribunal
Jean-Paul Sartre
Stockholm, 10 May 1967

Verdict of the Second Session
The International War Crimes Tribunal does as a result of 
deliberations render its verdict as follows:

Is the Government of Thailand guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of the Philippines guilty of complicity in 
the aggression committed by the United States Government 
against Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the Government of Japan guilty of complicity in the 
aggression committed by the United States Government against 
Vietnam?
Yes, by 8 Votes to 3.
(The three Tribunal members who voted against agree that the 
Japanese Government gives considerable aid to the Government of 
the United States, but do not agree on its complicity in the 
crime of aggression.)

Has the United States Government committed aggression against 
the people of Laos, according to the definition provided by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States used or experimented 
with weapons prohibited by the laws of war?
Yes (unanimously). {365}

Have prisoners of war captured by the armed forces of the 
United States been subjected to treatment prohibited by the 
laws of war?
Yes (unanimously).

Have the armed forces of the United States subjected the 
civilian population to inhuman treatment prohibited by 
international law?
Yes (unanimously).

Is the United States Government guilty of genocide against the 
people of Vietnam?
Yes (unanimously).

How democratic is the US read the 3 previous messages to find 
out?

And yet I still love my country and support my government fully 
in its plans to defeat terrorists and those who love them.  All 
that long-winded talk on your part, carefully constructed to try 
to make Americans doubt their government to the point that they 
would turn against it at this point in time.  Sorry girlfriend, 
but "divide-and-conquer" was invented long before your time.  
Maybe you should renew your subscription to Pravda and Goat 
Humper Monthly.                                   

the above info was facts, not propaganda. this much is clear. 
did you know that the US government commited such acts, they 
sound like acts of terrorists to me.  you say that you support 
your government fully in its plans to defeat terrorists, what 
does iraq have to do with terrorists?

why invade iraq now? your government says that it is a threat, 
but how is it more a threat now than it was back in 1998? its 
not!  the USA is just using the feelings of fear and hate 
amoningst its people to justify invading a country which did 
nothing to deserve invasion.  i dont believe in the government 
of iraq, but there is still no justification to invadeing it.

did you ever stop to think that mabey your country suffers from 
acts of terror because of its neo-colional policies and war 
mongering.

the people who bombed the twin towers should be punished, but 
their acts should cause you to look at the reasons behind their 
act, not spread more pain and hatred to innocents (the 
cilivilians of iraq, libya, somalia, cuba, north korea, vietnam 
etc are innocent) 

The answer to your question lies in an Iraqi slipping into 
Czechoslovakia with the help of his gov't.  Also, he was I.D.'d 
as one of the pilots of 11 Sept. 2001.  Now, if that weren't bad 
enough, Iraq has six metric tons of mass-destruction weapons, and 
nuclear scintists who defected to the U.S. tell us that Saddam's 
regime is within a couple of years of having nuclear weapons.  
Given Saddam's history of tyranny and oppression, it is clearly 
time to go to war in order to eliminate the threat.  As for the 
propaganda above, it was clearly designed to try to drive a wedge 
between Americans and their leadership.  Apparently, the 
propagandist thinks that this is the Vietnam war.                  
          

It is known that Iraq has old 737's on their bellies for the 
sole purpose of training hi-jackers how to quickly take over 
jetliners and Saddam has a martyr unit trained in hi-jacking 
aircraft. If this has anything to do with the 911 high-jackoffs, 
I don't know. 

Why Iraq, why now? While I do not agree with a unilateral 
U.S./U.K. attack, its clear the main reason is to avoid massive 
death in the near future. Saddam is smart, and also mad. There 
can be no doubt Iraq activly pursues aquiring any weapons 
possible and using Saddams track record as a guide, will not 
hesitate using them on anyone. Iraq has been granted yet another 
chance to live up to the agreements they signed following the 
Gulf War after Iraq invaded Kuwait. Its a ploy, another lie, of 
course. Saddam fiegns innocence and spends money on propoganda 
and weapons, blaming U.N. sanctions (which is always worded U.S. 
sanctions) while his own people starve. He gassed people to 
death in his Iraq, he murders all opposed to the goverment, he 
tried to have his own son killed. We are talking about a 
psychopath here! A psycho with power and bad-ass weapons! Never 
a good combination.

Granted, the Bush son and Bush father connection makes this a 
even more strange situation. I'd like to see my country finish 
up the job in Afghanistan and Pakistan first. Do the job well, 
then move on to the next cockroach nest. Its clear by the 
numerous attacks and arrests in Pakistan that the place is 
crawling with al-Queerda runaway panty-wastes. But somewhere 
down the road you can damn well bet all these Arab countries 
that do not agree with our Iraq threat assesment now will be 
begging for U.S. help to save their sorry asses.

u still havn't answered the issue of why now.

Saddam was just as crazy three years ago as he is now, he killed 
kurds (among others) back then too and was then also just a few 
years off nuclear devices back then too.  America wants to 
invade now because it feels that the global atmosphere of fear 
and anger can be used to justify an illegal invasion.

what would never have been possible two years ago, what the 
whole international community would have turned away from 
indgust, is now rightous american foreign policy.

why iraq?  why not pakistan, it HAS nuclear weapons, has a 
military dictatorship and has suffering minorities and religious 
extremists and is a threat to nearby countries and the region. 

 why not israel, it HAS nuclear weapons, has a rediculously 
large and powerful military (deeply involved in the nations 
politics), has religious extremists, is a huge threat to nearby 
countries and the stability of the region and has one of the 
most suffering minorities in the world.  Israel is argueibly 
engaging in the most government sanctioned genocide and 
persecution since Pol Pot's regime (at least iraq tried to hid 
the fact that he was killing kurds).    

however israel has the backing of America, and pakistan dosnt 
have huge oil fields

Iraq weapons dossier at-a-glance (UK REPORT)
BBC News ^ | September 24, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/24/2002 1:30 AM Pacific by MadIvan

Here are the main points of the government's 50-page dossier 
evidence against Saddam Hussein, published on Tuesday. 

Current position: 

*Iraq has "military plans" for the use of chemical and 
biological weapons, even against his own population. 
*Some weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to 
use them. 
*Saddam is one or two years off building a nuclear weapon.
Iraq has constructed engine test equipment for a missile capable 
of striking British military bases in Cyprus, Nato members 
Greece and Turkey and Iraq's Gulf neighbours and Israel.
*Saddam has tried to acquire "significant quantities" of uranium 
from Africa despite having no civil programme that could need 
it. 
*Iraq has "tried covertly to acquire technology and materials 
which could be used in the production of nuclear weapons". 
*Specialists have been recalled to work on a nuclear programme. 
*It has developed mobile laboratories for military use. 
*Iraq is preparing to conceal evidence of weapons and 
incriminating documents from weapons inspectors in the future. 


Missile programmes:

*Iraq has retained up to 20 al-Hussein missiles, with a range of 
650km, capable of carrying chemical or biological warheads. 
*It has started deploying its al-Samoud liquid propellant 
missile and extended its range to at least 200km, beyond the 
150km UN limit. 
*Iraq has started producing the solid-propellant Ababil-100 and 
is trying to extend its range to 200km. 


Saddam's power: 

*Saddam has retained authority over command and control 
arrangements to use chemical and biological weapons. 
*Intelligence reports say he may have delegated authority to his 
son Qusai. 
*Saddam does not regard weapons of mass destruction as a last 
resort.
*Saddam regards the possession of weapons of mass destruction 
and ballistic missiles as the basis of Iraq's regional power.


Funding:

*Chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes 
are "well funded".
*Iraq generates income outside UN control to an estimated 
$3billion in 2002.
*Illicit earnings are used to maintain Iraq's armed forces and 
to develop or acquire military equipment including chemical, 
biological, nuclear and ballistic programmes. 
*Illicit earnings have increased from around $1bn in 1999 to 
$3bn in 2002.


Iraq under Saddam 

*Saddam uses patronage and violence to motivate supporters and 
control or eliminate opposition. 
*Saddam practises torture, execution and coercion against 
enemies. 
*He pursues a long-term programme of persecution against Iraqi 
Kurds, including the use of chemical weapons. 
*People are arrested and detained for alleged political or 
religious activities. 
*Executions carried out without due process of law with 
thousands of prisoners executed. 
*Women prisoners at Mahjar are routinely raped by guards. 
*Prisoners at Qurtiyya Prison in Baghdad and elsewhere left in 
metal boxes to die if they do not confess. 
*Penalties for criminal offences include amputation, branding, 
cutting off ears and mutilation. 
*"Slander" against Saddam results in having tongues removed 
*Some 40 Saddam relatives, including women and children, killed. 

i hate to tell you this but the above infomation has not only 
just come to light.

the Iraqi regieme has had biological weapons for a few years now 
at least, the nuclear weapons are definately a worry but not 
really anything new.

Iraq commites terrible atrocities on its people, in particular 
the kruds.  however iraq is not the only country in the world to 
engege in such cruelty or to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Turkey has long persecuted the kurds, i didn't see America 
invade South Africa during apartheid.  i dont see America making 
threats to China about its persecution of minorities.

why are some countries allowed to prosses weapons of mass 
destruction and not others? why is any country allowed to have 
them?  why can America have nuclear weapons? why can Israel not 
only have nuclear weapons but also be allowed to destroy 
Palestilian houses, kill cilivians, cut off entire townships 
from food, medicine and other supplies and unlawfully imprision 
people (im not talking about militants here).

you have to look at what America will gain from an attack on 
Iraq, not what unjustices it will (hopefully) set right.  if 
America was doin this just to help 'the people' it would have 
happened a long time ago and in a lot of other countries.

U know in one attack on a kurd village by Saddam many more 
people were killed than in S11. i dont see the world grieving 
for them.  i guess Americans are worth more than other people

i dont see the world grieving for the millions of people who 
died under Pol Pot, thousands in Rwanda or the thousands of 
civilans America has killed in the past 50 years (i mean if u 
add in Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Somalia, Libya, Iran, 
Afghanistan and God knows where else)

this world dosnt seem a very fair place  

You can ask the question "why?" about anything. Maybe we should 
attack Iraq because we don't want to lose a few thousand more of 
our citizens. America is still seeking vengance for 9-11, and 
Iraq is a country know to support terrorism, and research deadly 
chemical weapon. You do the math...America is pissed at 
terrorists + Saddam supports terrorists = Iraqi asses getting 
kicked. It's really pretty simple if you just look at the whole 
picture

American's are worth more to Americans. Those other countries 
you mentioned are not a threat to the international community. 
Let the bitch U.N. deal with China. I really don't give a shit 
about those communists. If you want to live like shit, then 
expect to get treated like shit. Thats what I say to communists. 
Israel fucking rules. They have been kicking major ass recently. 
More power to them. 

America acts in the interest of America. It may sound cold and 
cruel, but family always must come first at all levels. I agree, 
the world is not fair, never has been, never will be. I also 
agree that one life has no more importance than another. That 
said, I do believe in the death penalty, an eye for an eye, and 
that there are inherently evil people such as Saddam Hussein who 
just plain need to be killed to make the world better.

I know the condensed version of the now infamous Saddam dossier 
contained much old news. There is some new revelations though. 
The capability to strike British bases in Cyprus sheds some 
light on Tony Blairs relentless pursuit of the Iraqi issue, for 
example. I personaly am against a U.S./U.K. attack at this time. 
The U.S. has a unique opportunity to show the whole world we are 
a truely sensible superpower leader who can work with all the 
nations of the world. On the other hand is the waiting guilt of 
not acting now if Saddam does something stupid and 100,000 
people are murdered. Tough times and tough calls to make, I sure 
wouldn't want Bush's job. 

Saddam can be removed with out war. We know how, it just doesn't 
make good nightly news that way. Slowly it is being done. Right 
now it is happening. Saddam is surrounded and the time has come. 
Bush just wants to take credit for it all. He is such a greedy 
little fuck!

I believe also that it can be done and is being done, but still 
at great cost to an economy that is reeling. Uncertainty is bad 
news for investors. The faster this is resolved, the better for 
the American economy which is on a downhill roll to the dumpster 
at present. Just the cost of having to position all those troops 
and equipment has to be staggering, not that I don't think its 
necessary, Im just thinking like a Jew! LOL!! "Where is that 
cost comparision I ordered?!! The one comparing costs of 
conventional verses nuclear?!!"

Im still trying to catch up on the al-Qaida/Iraq ties recently 
being released. Regardless of Sunni or Shiite, it seems natural 
Iraq would help them. Iran is worried, the goverment that is. 
The Iranian people have grown more pro-western over the years 
while the goverment seems a little behind the people and they 
may well fear the fall of Saddam will fell them also? If nothing 
else, we certainly are living in interesting times, I've 
willingly gone back to school (so to speak) in the past year.

i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!

i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!

From: 
To: americans 
Date: Mon Jan 21 20:08:00 2002 
Message:
i 'm from france, and here most of peolpe believe that your are 
(americans) the real terrorists!i'm from this point of view 
because during all your history ,you tried to dominate 
everything everywhere,without any pity!!!!!you  talk about 
america as the country of freedom,liberty....but when i read all 
the messages in this page, i just can notice that your are the 
most racist people i 've ever seen!!!
i'm not gonna insult you as you did to muslims,because only 
stupid and ignorant people use bad words, because they don't 
have enough vocabulary to express themselves!!!!!!!
 
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I noticed you tried twice in vain to post your message in white. 
Ain't it a bitch when ya CAN'T SURRENDER!!!

I think that the only reason they hate us is because we back 
Israel. We all know the holiest things to the Islamic religion 
are there.

How come the world doesnt have a clear and deep knowledge about 
the Zionists and their global control which trying to acheive. 
When Mr Bush accuses Iraq that has fooled the UN for 11 years 
and hasnt followed any resolution, THEN WHY NO ONE ASKS ISREAL 
TO DO THE SAME THING.ISREAL HAS DONE NOTHING FOR 35 YEARS NOW 
FOR ALL THE RESOLUTION THE U.N HAS PASSED.

So i have this question to my fellow jews..:

Who is the biggest terrorist Arafat or Sharon??

i think jews are looking good as soaps dont you think?

This is just to say that every muslim in the world is a filthy 
little cammell fucking bastard.

If I had my way I would take over your little mickey mouse 
republics, kill your leaders take your wealth (probibly not 
enough to rebuild the WTC but, hey every little bit helps).  I 
would then make you slaves to the west and work you until you 
can work no more, then I will use your organs for spare parts 
for people in British and American hospitals and then you will 
be killed in the cheapest way possible and your flesh will be 
made into pig food and your bones into fertiliser.

You have the audasity to complain that we have nuclear and 
biological weapons, when Saddam cannot, we are allowed we are 
rich westerners we can do as we please.  You on the other hand 
are stinking little arab bastards with a little bit of oil, this 
oil you have no other choice but to sell to us.  So you don't 
have to sell it to us if you don't want but when there is no 
money comming in and all your kids starve to death. We'l come 
and take it from you any way.

ALL PAKIS, WOGS, MUSLIMS AND SAND NIGGERS SHOULD BE ANAIOLATED.  
LET ISREAL, UK AND US RULE THE MIDDLE EAST AND AVENGE 9/11.

GENOCIDE NOW!!!

Of the 3000 who died, most were killed when the buildings fell 
down, All of those in the second tower died because they were 
allowed back in to the building, after having been evacuated 
when the first building was attacked.  This means the New York 
Fire Department were responsible for the majority of the deaths.

After over a year of investigation, we still don't know who in 
the Bush administration ordered the stand down of Edwards air 
force base, which facilitated the attack, and who took the video
that George Bush watched before he attended the classroom in 
Florida, was it the mossad agents that were laughing and 
cheering from accross the river?

Let's not give the Palistinian freedom fighters any more credit 
then they diserve. 

Don't you have some snails to eat or something? 



                                     
      

fuck u motherfucker ... u know nothing aobut arab & islam u 
pitch ... u know all of americans motherfucker .. all the 
christian r killers ... last thing KISS MY ASS .

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