John Boy....
You did ask and I did deliver, so what about you???? Your next 
message "To ALL" was to take away the rights of others was it 
not?  I think I'll just fade away into your past and forget you 
ever existed...I can find intellegent life elsewhere....F.G.+

Eagle Eye....
I was replying to your previous messages and was also speaking 
figuratively in those references.  I do not disagree with you at 
all on the need to discuss political issues just the context by 
which some choose to show their ignorance and lack of education 
with the limited vocabulary of 4 letter words.  I would rather 
be respected for my heartfelt thoughts and intellegent 
statements than be thought a fool for using foul language. I 
wasn't going to make a reference to you but on second thought, 
you can have your BUTT FRENCH KISSED back....Oh yes, you did 
make reference to your replies from past postings and I did re-
read them and you didn't ask what I thought you hadn't read. 
Pratice what you preach in communications....
You play search and destroy games and I'll get back to 
life...thanks for the replies...at least you had the guts to 
come out and play for a while...I've got better things to do 
then waste them with you.....F.G.+

Finally NOAH/ RE: Wavelengths...
Thank you for your thoughts...At least there is one amongst you 
who appreciates a wakeup call...Again, I thank you and will pray 
that you find your way through life in peace and may find a way 
to share your passions with others who are willing to 
share...F.G.+

See you all on the other side if you make it.......F.G.+

Wow, Noah, you know how to deliver an efficient spanking! :)

As a Christian, I have become wary of preachers whose best/only 
talent is to talk.  I should probably apologize to F. Guido, 
because I did lash out pretty harshly at the guy.  He came in 
admonishing all of us to get our butts off the message board and 
go do something productive to help the world.  And he comes back 
repeatedly to deliver the same message without following his own 
admonishments, apparently.  I will not toot my own horn and give 
my resume to justify my life; that is between me and my Father.  
I try to make my life an example to glorify God, not convince 
others that they should believe as I do.  I have a couple of 
people in my life who are living examples of the word of Christ, 
who live it rather than speak it.  This is what I admire most 
and is what gives me more faith than listening to a preacher in 
church every day of my life.

Thank you for your loving, caring spirit, Noah.  It is always 
appreciated by this reader.  You are an inspiration to me.

I know that Shalom means peace, akin to both Palestinians and 
Jews(basically the Middle Eastern People)...

But the fact is that though this word, Shalom that is, is so 
important, even cliched, yet the Palestinians and the Jews have 
never found peace.

For they have not found the Prince and King of peace who gives 
to all whom he wills.


And that is my LORD JESUS CHRIST.

You said --> "John Boy....  You did ask and I did deliver, so 
what about you???? Your next message "To ALL" was to take away 
the rights of others was it not?  I think I'll just fade away 
into your past and forget you ever existed...I can find 
intellegent life elsewhere....F.G.+

********

Firstly, I have NO clue what you are referring to.

Secondly, a priest is a professional listener.  That is your 
calling.  If you listened, you would know I made NO such claim.

You totally failed to answer the question in my first reply to 
you.  I let it go because I thought maybe you took on to much in 
one communication attempt.  I simply replied: "Thanks Dad."

And third and most important.  You signed off above to me 
with: "I think I'll just fade away into your past and forget you 
ever existed...I can find intellegent life elsewhere...."

A man of the cloth 'DOES NOT' address people in such a manner, 
whether it be justified or not.  Which obviously was not.  But 
whether or not..  giving people don't communicate like that.  A 
man as yourself should be above others and should NEVER resort 
to such behavior.

If I can share any of my wisdom with you, it would be the three 
L's.  LISTEN, LISTEN, & LISTEN.

You said --> "You did ask and I did deliver, so what about 
you????"

As for myself, I DO NOT speak of my works.  I seek not exposure 
for personal self-worth enhancement or from others.  My earlier 
inquiry to you was an attempt to allow you to show others how to 
make a contribution.  I was in no way seeking a response of what 
you have done, or plan to do, only what others could do.  I'm 
still waiting.

Have a good day.

John
E pluribus unum

please reread prior to responding, thnxs

What is Afghanistans official or unofficial policy regarding
Terrorism????  Do they have a policy?????? What does it state????
Do they (the afghan gov't) encourage or discourage terrorism?

Some sentence of yours:
"I'm glad you're telling them the truth because hey 
need to know it real bad." 
"And oi - Italian Guy, yeah you!  You don't know me yet but you 
can fuck right off you little piecce of greasy shit!"

Likely you are Walter the fool.
Anyway I won't demean myself by answering your post.

Kane, as you know, a war is currently being fought ,over in 
Afghanistan,  not only  to destroy bin Laden and his al 
Qaeda companions but also to unseat the so called Taliban 
government. The same government that protected and 
hosted these criminals.

Shortly, a meeting will be organised in Bonn (former capital 
of the former West-Germany) to get as many parties 
together that represent the people and tribes of Afghanistan.

Welcome to this board,

From Europe, this was Radio Europe...

We can but wait what form of government will be the result 
of  talks between these parties, but clearly, most of them are 
against terrorism. Certainly if it  is conducted by strangers, 
like Arabs and Pakistani who have been using their county 
as a base for their crimes.

Kane, as you know, a war is currently being fought ,over in 
Afghanistan,  not only  to destroy bin Laden and his al 
Qaeda companions but also to unseat the so called Taliban 
government. The same government that protected and 
hosted these criminals.

Shortly, a meeting will be organised in Bonn (former capital 
of the former West-Germany) to get as many parties 
together that represent the people and tribes of Afghanistan.

We can but wait what form of government will be the result 
of  talks between these parties, but clearly, most of them are 
against terrorism. Certainly if it  is conducted by strangers, 
like Arabs and Pakistani who have been using their county 
as a base for their crimes.

Welcome to this board,

From Europe, this was Radio Europe...

The Character of God in Bible and Qur'an

A Study In Contrasts 

These are the notes of the Christian speaker from a 
Muslim-Christian dialog end of 1998
The Muslim speaker's notes have not been made available 
to us 

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen! I think tonight we are 
witnessing a very exciting event, since it is not very often that 
Muslims and Christians get together to listen to each other. 
And I would like to put the emphasis tonight on truly 
listening to each other. 

I have not come here with my boxing gloves. I have not come 
here to score points or win an intellectual battle. I am sure 
most of the Christians and the Muslims out in the audience 
have already raised their defensive walls quite high and are 
ready for a good fight on the stage. Well, I would like to ask 
everyone to make a conscious attempt to lower their walls 
and try to listen empathetically to the position of the other 
side. After 1400 years of debates and polemical exchanges 
between Muslims and Christians, a deep gulf of 
misunderstanding still separates the two communities of 
faith. 

Just to cite one example, a great contemporary Muslim 
writer, Shabbir Akhtar, can still say, 


"Most Muslims, including educated ones, know next to 
nothing about Christology. Few Muslims can distinguish 
clearly between the view that a man claims to be divine - a 
blasphemy - and the entirely different view according to 
which God volunteers to become human - the orthodox 
Christian conviction. And both of these views are routinely 
confused with the heretical doctrine that God `adopted' a 
son... A Muslim cannot reasonably claim to be seriously 
engaged in dialogue with Christians unless he can 
possess a thorough knowledge of the Christian faith..."[1] 

Of course, one can put the same charge towards Christians 
and their ignorance of the Islamic faith and the many 
negative stereo-typed images that Christians have 
developed against Muslims. 

So, once again, my request is that tonight we would all 
make an extra effort to really listen and thus take one step 
closer towards a mutual understanding of each other's 
position. 

Having said that, I must note that I am not advocating that 
we ought to brush aside the deep and genuine differences 
that divide Islam and Christianity. In fact, in my lecture 
tonight, I would like to highlight five points of tension that I 
notice as a Christian when I compare the doctrine of God as 
it is developed in the Christian faith with the view of God 
expounded by the Qur'an and historic, orthodox Islamic 
theology. 

I would like to start with an analogy. I am not very musically 
minded, but I can imagine that if one immerses himself or 
herself in the musical style of a great composer, one can tell 
which pieces belong to the genuine composition of this 
great musician and which pieces are not genuine. One 
begins to develop a "feel" for what a composer sounds like. 
I guess that same thing can be true of great painters or the 
great poets. Some of you might know the "feel" of the poetry 
of Hafiz or Rumi so well, that you can immediately tell if a 
piece of poetry is written by them or not. 

In a same way, when I pay close attention to the character of 
God portrayed for us through the biblical narratives and then 
I compare it with the Qur'an, I get the strong sense that the 
Qur'an plays a different tune, that it does not exactly match 
the God of the Bible, even though the Qur'an claims to be 
from the same God. 

This is not an exhaustive list, but I would like to bring to your 
attention, five areas of disagreement between these two 
portraits of God. These areas concern the issues of THE 
INTIMCAY OF GOD (with his people), THE SUFFERING OF 
GOD, THE LOVE OF GOD, THE KNOWABILITY OF GOD (the 
question regarding whether we can know the character of 
God, what God is like), and THE HOLINESS OF GOD. 

The reason that I would like to focus on these fundamental 
characteristics is that they provide the foundational basis for 
such distinctive Christian concepts as the doctrine of the 
Trinity, the incarnation and the atonement. Oftentimes, 
Muslims and Christians argue ad infinitum about these 
specific Christian doctrines and don't come to any better 
understanding of each other, because they have not realized 
that their disagreement about the nature of God is even 
more foundational than they had thought. There is no use 
talking about more advanced concepts, if we don't even 
have the basics down, no use arguing about the complex 
formulas of advanced calculus, if we have not understood 
the simple principles of arithmetic. 

So, let me now elaborate on what I mean by these areas of 
disagreement that I have highlighted. 

I. The Intimacy of God 

A.   The dominant Qur'anic picture is that of a master and 
servant. Even though there is a Qur'anic verse that claims 
that God is closer to the people than their own jugular 
vein,[2] nevertheless, the idea of God's intimacy with his 
people is not very much developed in the Qur'an or in 
orthodox Islamic theology. In fact, sura 50:16, is set in the 
context of the angels recording man's deeds for the day of 
judgment. God is constantly referred to as a Sovereign 
Master (although he is Rahman and Rahim). He is gracious 
and is the source of all the bounties of the earth, but overall 
the image is that he is far above and beyond the struggles 
and the tragedies in the human realm. 

Once again, Shabbir Akhtar gives us the following insightful 
comments: 


Visitors to the famous Cordoba mosque in Spain cannot fail 
to read the ubiquitous inscription, `He is the dominant 
(Huwal-ghalib)'. What a revealing index to the Muslim 
mind![3] 

Furthermore, 


Muslims do not see God as their father or, equivalently, 
themselves as the children of God. Men are servants of a 
just master; they cannot, in orthodox Islam, typically attain 
any greater degree of intimacy with their creator.[4] 

Kenneth Cragg, in his classic book, The Call of the Minaret, 
points to the same basic insight. After briefly reviewing the 
99 most beautiful names of God (Asma' al-Husna) in the 
Qur'an, he observes, 


This eternal and all-encompassing God is described as 
"the Creator," "the Fashioner," "the Life-Giver," "the Provider," 
"the Opener," "the Bestower," "the Prevailer." God brings to 
life and brings to death, is "the Reckoner" and "the 
Recorder," "the King of Kingship" and "the Lord of the 
Worlds." It is repeatedly declared in the Qur'an that there is 
no strength and no power save in God, who "is over all 
things supreme." ... 

The relative frequency with which the different names occur 
is a matter of deep interest. Terms, or their corresponding 
verbs, that have to do with strength, majesty, greatness are 
most prominent.[5] 

B.   Of course, the Bible also presents us with the picture of 
a Sovereign God who is the infinite one and the creator of 
the universe. However, the Biblical faith also describes 
God's relationship with his people in many tender 
passages in which God is portrayed as a father who 
teaches his child to walk (Deut. 1:31, Hosea 11:1-4),[6] a 
shepherd who carries his lamb in his arms (Isa. 40:11),[7] a 
lover who woos his beloved, and even a husband who 
longs for his unfaithful wife to return (Jer. 3:1,12,14).[8] 

We are confronted with a God who dwells in the midst of his 
people and desires to have an intimate relationship with 
them. The book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible, 
gives us a glimpse of the fulfillment of God's relationship 
with his people, when the author states, 


And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the 
dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They 
will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be 
their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will 
be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old 
order of things has passed away." [Rev. 21:3-4] 

  

II. The Suffering of God 

A.   The God of the Qur'an shows his mercy to humankind by 
sending prophets to guide the people to the straight path. 
God sends prophets to various people groups but judges 
the disobedient nations (oftentimes by destroying them) 
when they don't listen to God's prophets (see the sura of the 
poets, al-Shuara, as one example of this prominent Qur'anic 
theme). God's dealings with people are reported in a very 
matter of fact way. To cite one example, I would like to focus 
your attention on the stories of Noah. The Qur'anic 
passages which have more of an extended treatment of 
Noah are found in sura 7:59-64; 11:25-49; 23:23-30; 
26:105-122; 37:75-82; 54:9-15; and sura 71:1-28 which is 
the sura of Nuh. In all these passages, Noah warns his 
people, they disbelieve in his message and God sends the 
flood to destroy the unbelievers. Period. We are not told 
anything about how any of this, whether the peoples' 
sinfulness or the judgment of God, affects God himself. 

B.   The Bible on the other hand presents us with a God who 
suffers because of his disobedient people. He is grieved, 
he is angered. The prophets of Israel reveal him as a 
wounded lover, a husband who feels the pain of betrayal 
because of his unfaithful wife, a father whose heart is 
broken because of his rebellious children. I will get back to 
these images, but to continue our example of Noah, let's 
begin by looking at Gen. 6:5-7 : 


The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth 
had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his 
heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that 
he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with 
pain. So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have 
created, from the face of the earth - men and animals, and 
creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air - 
for I am grieved that I have made them." 

Please note the emphasis of the text on the suffering of God 
in that in the space of two verses, three times we are 
informed that God was grieved, filled with pain and grieved. 
The significance of this repetition is pointed out by the 
eminent German Old Testament scholar, Claus 
Westermann, who writes, "Yahweh's regret is so important 
for the [writer] that he puts it before the decision to destroy 
and repeats it again after it. He considered it decisive for the 
understanding of the event which these verses introduce."[9] 
As Walter Brueggemann, a prominent American OT scholar 
puts it, "The narrative is not about the anger of God but 
about the grief of God."[10] 

Due to the shortness of time, let me draw your attention to 
only one more passage in the OT. The prophet Hosea, 
describes the intimacy of God's relationship with Israel in 
terms of the intimacy of a husband and wife and a father 
and child. But God brings a charge against Israel for being 
an unfaithful wife, by going after idols, and a rebellious child. 
Commenting on the imageries of Hosea, one of the most 
profound Jewish thinkers of the 20th century, Abraham 
Heschel, writes, "Hosea has given us a supreme 
expression of the vision of the subjective God so typical for 
prophetic awareness." He continues: 


God is conceived, not as a self-detached Ruler, but as the 
sensitive Consort to Whom deception comes and Who 
nevertheless goes on pleading for loyalty, uttering a longing 
for a reunion, a passionate desire for reconciliation.... 
Hosea is able to express as no other prophet the love of 
God for Israel in its most varied forms - as compassion, as 
a mother's tenderness, as love between husband and 
wife.[11] 

And a Christian commentator, Terrence Fretheim, describes 
the language of Hosea in this way, 


The image here, obviously, is not that of some heavenly 
General Patton having difficulty tolerating acts of 
insubordination. Rather, it is the image of the long-suffering 
parent and, given the roles in child rearing in Israel, it is 
probably more the image of mother than father. God is 
pictured as one in great anguish over what the children have 
done, but her love is such that she cannot let go. [12] 

Fretheim beautifully summarizes the impact of these 
various images, 


God has been rejected both as parent and as husband! 
God is like a person who has been rejected not only by his 
spouse but by his children as well. God suffers the effects of 
the broken relationship at multiple levels of intimacy. The 
wounds of God are manifold.[13] 

It should be noted that this divine suffering is not because 
God is weak, but because he is love and one cannot truly 
love without opening oneself up to risking the possibility of 
rejection and the pain which results from it. 

  

III. The Love of God 

A.   Much ink has been shed on this issue, portraying Islam 
as having an unloving God. That is not true, but 
nevertheless, the Qur'anic picture is quite different. God 
loves the good, not the unlovely and the sinner. 

That God does not love the sinner is abundantly clear in the 
Quran. Note these key verses from the Quran: 


"Allah loves not transgressors" (2:190); 

"He loves not creatures ungrateful or wicked" (2:276); 

"Say: 'Obey Allah and His Apostle;' but if they turn back Allah 
loves not those who reject Faith." (3:32); 

"Allah loves not those who do wrong" (3:57, 140); 

"Allah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious" (4:36). 

"Say, if ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love and forgive 
you your sins." (3:31) 

The Quran is littered with dozens of verses like this. It is a 
fact, nowhere in the Quran is God ever reported to love 
someone who does not love Him first, nor is God's love ever 
used as the central motivating factor to draw someone 
close to Him. 

B.   In contrast, both the Old and New Testaments record 
that God loves everyone regardless of their sin. In the Bible, 
we see God as not only the initiator of love but as one who 
loves those who are his enemies. 


"The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, 
because you were more in number than any people; for you 
[were] the fewest of all people...." (Deut. 7:7) 

In the New Testament we see that God's love for sinful man 
is given as the primary reason He sent Jesus Christ. 


"For God so loved the world He gave His One and Only 
Son.... (John 3:16). Also, "This is love, not that we loved God, 
but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation 
for our sins. " (I John 4:10) And, "We love, because He first 
loved us." (I John 4:19) 

C.   The concept of Grace is radically different in the two 
religions! 

  

IV. The Knowability of God 

A.   This point becomes a bit heavy on the philosophical 
side, but I would appreciate your patience here, because it 
has profound practical ramifications. Despite all the names 
of God in the Qur'an, in orthodox Islam we confront a God 
who is basically unknowable. These names do not tell us 
anything about what God is like but only how God has willed 
to act. God's actions do not reflect God's nature. 

Al-Ghazali, the most prominent theologian in the history of 
Islam, went so far as to say: 


"The end result of the knowledge of the `arifin is their 
inability to know Him, and their knowledge is, in truth, that 
they do not know Him and that it is absolutely impossible for 
them to know Him."[14] 

Fadlou Shehadi, a contemporary scholar of Al-Ghazali, after 
analyzing Al-Ghazali's arguments about the transcendence 
of God, concludes, 


From all the foregoing, one important consequence has to 
be drawn. 

God is Utterly Unknowable 

If God is a unique kind of being unlike any other being in any 
respect, more specifically, unlike anything known to man, it 
would have to follow by Ghazali's own principles that God is 
utterly unknowable. For, according to Ghazali, things are 
known by their likenesses, and what is utterly unlike what is 
known to man cannot be known. Furthermore, God would 
have to be unknowable, completely unknowable, not only to 
'the man in the street', but to prophets and mystics as well. 
This is a conclusion that Ghazali states very explicitly and 
not infrequently. It is also a view that is often stated 
independently of its logical relation to God's utter 
uniqueness.[15] 

Another contemporary scholar of Islam, Isma`il al-Faruqi 
expresses the mainstream Islamic thinking on the inability 
of humans to know God, when he writes: 


He [God] does not reveal Himself to anyone in any way. God 
reveals only His will. Remember one of the prophets asked 
God to reveal Himself and God told him, "No, it is not 
possible for Me to reveal Myself to anyone. "...This is God's 
will and that is all we have, and we have it in perfection in 
the Qur'an. But Islam does not equate the Qur'an with the 
nature or essence of God. It is the Word of God, the 
Commandment of God, the Will of God. But God does not 
reveal Himself to anyone. Christians talk about the 
revelation of God Himself - by God of God - but that is the 
great difference between Christianity and Islam. God is 
transcendent, and once you talk about self-revelation you 
have hierophancy and immanence, and then the 
transcendence of God is compromised. You may not have 
complete transcendence and self-revelation at the same 
time.[16] 

Shabbir Akhtar, again: 


The Koran, unlike the Gospel, never comments on the 
essence of Allah. 'Allah is wise' or 'Allah is loving' may be 
pieces of revealed information but, in contrast to Christianity, 
Muslims are not enticed to claim that 'Allah is Love' or 'Allah 
is Wisdom'. Only adjectival descriptions are attributed to the 
divine being and these merely as they bear on the revelation 
of God's will for man. The rest remains mysterious.[17] 

Kenneth Cragg: 


"[all the attributes] are to be understood finally as 
characteristics of the divine will rather than laws of the divine 
nature. Action, that is arising from such descriptives may be 
expected, but not as a matter of necessity. What gives unity 
to all God's dealings is that God wills them all. He as Willer 
may be recognized from time to time by means of the 
descriptions given. But God does not essentially conform to 
any of them. The act of the divine will may be identified in 
this or that quality; the will itself is inscrutable. One may not, 
therefore, say that God is necessarily loving, holy, righteous, 
clement, or relenting, in every and all relationships. 

It is this fact that explains the antithesis in certain of the 
Names. Such antithesis would not be theologically 
predicable if either element within it were essential to God's 
nature. Because they are not, God's action may 
demonstrate each element in differing relations. The 
antithesis is dogmatically resolved in the realm of will, in 
that God wills both - in every other sense and realm, 
antithesis remains. But the problem has no anguish and is, 
indeed, inscrutable, given the conviction of the divine will as 
an ultimate beyond which neither reason nor revelation go. 
So God is "the One who leads astray," as well as "the One 
who guides." God is "the One who brings damage," as also 
does Satan. God is described also by terms such as "the 
Bringer-down," "the Compeller" or "Tyrant," "the Haughty" - 
all of which, when humanly used, have an evil sense. In the 
unity of the single will, however, these descriptions coexist 
with those that relate to mercy, compassion, and glory."[18] 

B.   The biblical emphasis is that God has revealed himself 
and our highest calling is to know God and be in intimate 
relationship with him (e.g., Jer. 9:23-24; Matt. 11:27; Jn. 
1:18; Jn. 17:3; II Cor. 4:6). 



      This is what the LORD says: 
      "Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom 
       or the strong man boast of his strength 
       or the rich man boast of his riches,
      but let him who boasts boast about this: 
       that he understands and knows me,
       that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, 
       justice and righteousness on earth, 
       for in these I delight," declares the LORD. [Jer. 9:23-24]

      All things have been committed to me by my Father. 
      No one knows the Son except the Father, 
      and no one knows the Father except the Son 
      and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." [Mt. 
11:27]

      No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, 
      who is at the Father's side, has made him known. [John 
1:18]

      Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, 
      the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have 
sent. 
                                              [John 17:3]

      For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," 
      made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light 
      of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ. 
                                           [II Cor. 4:6]


God is as God has acted! In the Christian faith the actions of 
God in the history of redemption provide the basis for the 
Christian doctrine of the Trinity. God has revealed himself in 
the history of redemption by showing himself to be our 
Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier. We see a God who is not 
only above us as our heavenly Father, but with us in Christ 
(Immanuel) and in us through the Holy Spirit. 

  

V. The Holiness of God 

A.   Even though Muslims often give the impression that 
Islam presents a loftier picture of God's forgiveness, 
because God just forgives when people repent and does 
not need any bloody sacrifices to atone for people's sin, the 
Qur'an is at odds with the biblical emphasis on God's 
holiness and his requirement for sacrifices. 

B.   As a Christian, I find it incredible that the adjective Holy 
(Quddus) is only used twice of God in the Qur'an. See 
Leviticus as the heart of the Torah. This is the basis for the 
heart of the Christian view of atonement. Guthrie explains 
the need for the atonement such: 


Costly Love 

If God already loves and forgives us, why atonement at all? 
Why did Jesus have to die to reconcile us to God? Why did 
not God just say, "I forgive you," and let it go at that? 

We can catch a glimpse of the answer with an analogy in 
human relationships. Suppose that I have done something 
that betrays a friendship and hurts a friend. Suppose that I 
go to her to tell her how sorry I am and how bad I feel about 
it, and she says to me, "That's OK. It doesn't make any 
difference. Forget it." Has she forgiven me? What she has 
really said is, "I don't care enough about you to be bothered 
by anything you say or do. You are not that important to me." 
She also leaves me alone with the pain of my guilt, refusing 
to help me deal with it, put it behind me, and make a fresh 
beginning with her. 

Good-natured indulgence and casual acceptance are not 
forgiveness and love but an expression of indifference and 
sometimes hostility. Real love and forgiveness mean caring 
enough to be hurt, caring enough to put ourselves in others' 
shoes and sharing their guilt as if it were our own. Real love 
and forgiveness are costly - not in the sense that the guilty 
party must squeeze them out of the injured party but in the 
sense that the injured party genuinely sympathizes with the 
guilty and shares his or her pain. 

Why did Jesus have to die? Why atonement? Because God 
cares for us too much to dismiss our sin and guilt with a 
flippant "It doesn't matter." Because words were not enough: 
action was necessary to prove that God's love and 
forgiveness are genuine. Because God wanted to stand 
with us in the loneliness and alienation we bring on 
ourselves when we separate ourselves from God and other 
people. Because it is just when God comes to our side in 
our loneliness, alienation, and guilt that they are overcome. 
In the cross God says to us, "Yes, it is true. You have hurt 
and offended me. But I still love you. Therefore I will make 
your guilt and its consequences my own. I will suffer with 
you - for you - to make things right between us again."[19] 

  

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Notes: 

[1]  Shabbir Akhtar, A Faith For All Seasons, Chicago, Ivan R. 
Dee Publisher, 1990, p. 182. 
[2]  It was We Who created man, and We know what dark 
suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to 
him than (his) jugular vein. [Q. 50:16] (also see sura 2:186; 
34:50; 56:85; 57:4 on "nearness"). 

When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed 
close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when 
he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, 
and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. [Q. 
2:186] 

Say: "If I am astray, I only stray to the loss of my own soul: 
but if I receive guidance, it is because of the inspiration of 
my Lord to me: it is He Who hears all things, and is (ever) 
near." [Q. 34:50] 

But We are nearer to him than ye, and yet see not,- [Q. 
56:85] 

He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, 
and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of 
Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what 
comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and 
what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye 
may be. And God sees well all that ye do. [Q. 57:4] 
[3]  Akhtar, op. cit., p. 129. 
[4]  Ibid., p. 180. 
[5]  Kenneth Cragg, The Call of the Minaret, 2nd ed., New 
York, Orbis Books, 1992, p. 35. 
[6] 

      There you saw how the LORD your God carried you, 
     as a father carries his son, all the way you went 
     until you reached this place.       [Deut. 1:31]

     "When Israel was a child, I loved him, 
         and out of Egypt I called my son.
      But the more I called Israel, 
         the further they went from me. 
         They sacrificed to the Baals 
         and they burned incense to images. 
      It was I who taught Ephraim to walk, 
         taking them by the arms; 
         but they did not realize it was I 
            who healed them. 
      I led them with cords of human kindness, 
         with ties of love; 
      I lifted the yoke from their neck 
        and bent down to feed them. [Hosea 11:1-4]


[7] 

       He tends his flock like a shepherd: 
         He gathers the lambs in his arms 
         and carries them close to his heart; 
      he gently leads those that have young. [Isaiah 40:11]


[8] 

       "If a man divorces his wife 
         and she leaves him and marries another man,
         should he return to her again? 
       Would not the land be completely defiled?
       But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers - 
         would you now return to me?" declares the LORD.

       Go, proclaim this message toward the north: 
       "`Return, faithless Israel,' declares the LORD, 
       `I will frown on you no longer, for I am merciful,'
       declares the LORD, `I will not be angry forever. 

       "Return, faithless people," declares the LORD, 
          "for I am your husband. 
       I will choose you -  one from a town and two from a clan 
- 
         and bring you to Zion.  [Jeremiah 3:1,12,14]


[9]  Claus Westermann, Genesis 1-11: A Commentary, 
Minneapolis: Augsburg Publishing House, 1984, p. 407. 
[10]  Walter Brueggemann, "A Shape for Old Testament 
Theology," in The Flowering of Old Testament Theology, 
Ollenburger, Martens, Hasel, eds., Winoma Lake: 
Eisenbrauns, 1992, p. 418. 
[11]  Abraham Heschel, The Prophets, New York, The 
Jewish Publication Society of America, 1962, pp. 48-49. 
[12]  Terrence Fretheim, The Suffering of God, Philadelphia, 
Fortress Press, 1984, p. 120. 
[13]  Ibid., p. 116. 
[14]  Fadlou Shehadi, Ghazali's Unique Unknowable God, 
Leiden, E.J. Brill, 1964, p. 37. The `arifin, literally "the 
knowers", used by mystics in the sense of "gnostics". 
[15]  Ibid., pp. 21-22. Later on p. 48, he also states: 

Thus the uncompromising character of Ghazali's 
agnosticism follows logically from his uncompromising 
stand on the utter difference of God's nature. 

[16]  al-Faruqi, Christian Mission and Islamic Da`wah: 
Proceedings of the Chamb sy Dialogue Consultation [held 
1976 in Chamb sy, Switzerland], (Leicester: The Islamic 
Foundation, 1982), pp. 47-48 
[17]  Akhtar, op. cit., pp. 180-181. 
[18]  Cragg, op. cit., p. 36-37. 
[19]  Guthrie, Christian Doctrine, Revised Edition, 
Westminster/John Knox Press, 1994, p. 260

Do you sense any change on this board since my arrival? The 
questions sounds, in a way, rather egotistical (not to mention 
out of the blue), but please believe me, it's not meant to be. 
I, as you yourself stated from your personal point of view, 
simply want to be 'one' that contributes to the 'whole'. My wish 
was never to become the 'whole' as it were. I would NEVER want 
to make it into something that I wanted it to be. What I'm 
trying to say is that I don't want to stifle the opinions of 
others simply because my approach or main reason for being on 
the board is different to theirs. Again, from your perspective, 
speaking for yourself, do you feel that's so?

If I was curtailing the way those here would normally have 
expressed themselves before my arrival, I would in those 
circumstances rather leave the board if I knew that to be the 
case.

Please get back to me on this one.

I just wanted to say Thank You for your posts. I look forward to 
them each and everyday,Before sept 11th I have to be honest I 
didn't know much about what was going on in the middle east but 
have now been researching as much as I can and wanted to let you 
know that your posts have really helped....Thanks

Well sir ..... I wish you'd get over the "I think Im intruding 
or impeding" mindset. :-) 

As far as Im concerned I look forward to getting your views and 
reading your wit filled posts.

If your concerned about the approach / tact myself and others 
would take or are taking to one UK Vomit ... due to your 
presence and our wishes not upset or offend reasonable Brits 
with an IQ over 5 [unlike our boy fool UK Vomit] - no worries.

I dont know what else to tell ya ... Im gonna do what I wanna do 
regardless of who's lurking or otherwise - I would hope you 
would do the same.  I have no expectations that you would tailor 
your thoughts or rhetoric just to suit any of us Yanks.

It is what it is brother ... bring it.

Looking forward to your next contribution .... and hoping you 
can bring a little UK local knowledge to bear on that shit for 
brains puke UK Vomit.

So .... what does the term Red Neck mean to the avg euro?

I find it rather odd that Uk Voices and Walter have opted to 
toss about the term, to describe someone residing in one of the 
worlds more metro areas.

Hey all......how's t going?

From what everyone has said....i can sum it all up into 6 
words......

 BLOW THOSE MOTHER FUCKERS TO HELL!!!

thx, 

Lennon

http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?
in_review_id=477760&in_review_text_id=433112

Uk Vomit / Waldo .... taking a flight any time soon?  Please be 
sure to be a wise ass ok?

I came to find this this site, among others, searching for
views reguarding the 911 attacks from something other than
an American point of view. You provide this to all us Yanks.
 UK Voices is no way British. I've worked with and partied with
quite a few Brits and he is not. My first thought was voices 
hmmmmm, not singular but plural as in multiple, as in 
personalities, as in old Walter having a battle with new Walter
internally. Who knows? Who cares?
 You just keep up your excellent posts, we all like your style!

11/26/2001 :  Battle Over Saddam? 

As Washington mulls how to handle Iraq, get ready for 
 coercive diplomacy  and a push for weapons inspectors.
As George W. Bush toughens up his rhetoric in the war on 
terror, Iraq has resurfaced on the media s next-to-be-hit list. 
But well-placed U.S. officials tell NEWSWEEK that Saddam 
Hussein is not likely to feel the full wrath of America s 
military power any time soon. More likely to be targeted next 
in the terror campaign are facilities in Somalia, or even the 
Philippines. The Navy has been running reconnaissance 
flights over Somalia, where it is believed Al Qaeda may have 
at least one training camp. And the United States already 
has a handful of Special Forces in the Philippines that are 
attempting to help President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo s 
government fight Al Qaeda-backed insurgency there. 

By John Barry
Source:NEWSWEEK INTERNATIONAL
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NewsFromIran // source:IranMojahedin
November 26, 2001

Two members of the Dutch Parliament published an article 
in the NRC Handles Blad in which they called on the 
international coalition against terrorism to attack the 
countries which harbor terrorists and terrorist organizations. 
They said the Iranian regime was one of the governments 
which has a record of engagement in terrorist operations.
Dutch representatives Vilders and Visaglass reiterated that 
so long as West does not have the courage of openly 
questioning these governments over their unacceptable 
behavior, terrorism and extremism would not be defeated.
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=======================================

The Iraqi Television broadcast on Saturday night the 
confessions of six terrorists dispatched to Iraq by the Iranian 
regime to plant bombs in busy districts of Baghdad and 
carry out a terrorist attack on one of the bases of the 
Mojahedin. The mercenary agents admitted that they had 
received their instructions from the Iranian Intelligence 
Ministry and sent to Iraq after paying them some money.
One of the agents by the name of Mahmoud Ahmad Aziz, a 
resident of Sulaimania, said he had been introduced by 
some of his friends to the Iranian regime's officers based in 
the city of Sulaimania. He said his first meeting took place in 
Hotel Mihman, in the city of Sanandaj, with two of the 
Intelligence Ministry agents by the names of Majidi and 
Karimi. They gave him 300 dollars and asked his to 
introduce to them Arab and Kurds living in Sulaimania and 
other cities.
Another agent by the name of Mansour Nasrollah Haidar 
said one of his acquaintances had made the suggestion to 
him to cooperate with the Iranian regime's Intelligence 
Ministry. ]
The third agent by the name of Mahmoud Mostafa Ahmad 
said he had accepted to cooperate with the Iranian regime's 
Intelligence Ministry because of his deplorable economic 
conditions. He went to Sanandaj and met with two agents of 
the Intelligence Ministry by the names of Karimi and Majidi 
who ordered him to reconnoiter different districts in 
Baghdad and gave him 900 dollars to buy a car.
Another agent by the name of Khazir Abbas, revealed that 
the clerical regime had trained him for a month to plant 
bombs, mount missiles and set timers. He received these 
training in the city of Halabjeh. Three agents of the 
Intelligence Ministry, by the names of Davoud, Karim and 
Hamzeh oversaw these training courses. He also revealed 
that he had planted a bomb in a crowded and busy district of 
Baghdad by the name of Shorejeh.
The agents' contact person with the Intelligence Ministry 
was called Ahmad. He was assigned by an Intelligence 
Ministry agent by the name of Ahmadi to carry out a terrorist 
attack against the Mojahedin base camps. He and two other 
terrorists were supposed to launch missiles against the 
Mojahedin's Camp Ashraf, but were arrested before carrying 
out their operation.
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Editorial:
Radio Europe,John,U.K.Citizen,EagleEye, Allatti2d, 
ItalianGuy,Spy,Holland//Italy and others :"We thank you for 
your work and support."

Points taken. So long as that's the case, at least from your 
point of you! I'd just rather things not go unsaid, I'd prefer 
to just come out and say so, and for others to do the same, if 
something doesn't seem right. I hope, that you say what you mean 
about speaking your mind, and not just you, others too. It's 
just seems unusually quiet. 

For instance 1,000 U.S. troops are now being deployed on the 
ground in Afghanistan with more soon to follow, along with 
goodness knows how many U.S. special operatives. None of your 
compatriots have mentioned that yet, am I missing something 
here? It's a distinct possibility some of them won't make it 
back. This is where things get really serious, the ground war! 
The Taliban and their Ilk, this is their thing, guerilla 
warfare, that's what they train for. Not open combat on the 
battlefield. The Soviets found that out. I don't doubt for one 
second the resolve and effectiveness of U.S. troops. Things, so 
far, have gone better than most would have hoped for, and in 
such a brief time. I don't know EagleEye!, I thought at least 
someone would have mentioned it by now, that's all. I thought 
people would be cheering the troops on! Maybe I'm way of line 
here, maybe I've misjudged or have missed something here. Any 
opportunity I've got I've mentioned UK troops and their role in 
this, which is frankly miniscule in comparison to the American 
effort. Sure, there are SAS types there fighting alongside the 
U.S. Delta force, the Royal Air Force has been prominant in 
refuelling and transporting roles that are aiding the U.S.A.F., 
but that's about it. I'll leave it there, but do reply should 
you wish to, on any of the above.

O.K...Red Necks...not sure about euro in general, but the 
British Isles, we get a lot more of your U.S. programming, 
cinema, T.V. movies, and the U.S. culture in general than you 
realise. I don't think the avarage American is made aware of 
just how much Hollywood and the big U.S. T.V. networks material 
is purchased by our T.V. broadcasters. Whether the U.S. is doing 
the hard sell or the U.K. is doing the hard buy, I just don't 
know. The upshot is were just as likely for instance to be able 
to see..Dan Rather, Nightline and such like as you are. Some 
British viewer, at least at some time, would I'd imagine have 
heard the term Red Neck. I don't know if that answers that 
question.

The trouble with you EagleEye, is that I agree with too much of 
what you say about why this war has to be fought, and the way of 
going about doing that...it's annoying frankly...I can't even 
argue with you! :-)      

I think thats because we're just at the threshold of entering 
this house---.

I wasn't playing the sympathy vote...really! It's just certain 
things do matter to me, one of those being, to have a mix of 
opinions, some of which I just havn't heard of late, as much as 
I've recalled hearing before. Still...thank you kind sir, for 
your words...it goes without saying I also value your opinions 
equally highly!.

Yes I AM planning a flight,and I'll act however I damn well want 
to!(LOL!!!)I remember you makeing threats to me about the FBI 
too,and strange.........haven't seen them yet!(LOL!!!)have you?

I REALLY didn't want to go here,but some things bugged me 
when you came on this board(ask Ashraf about my 
suspicious nature).
Oddly enough--U.K. Voices appeared not long after you did.
I found that "interesting".
I know I'm risking the wraft of this boards participants but 
this "question" you asked got be wonderin'.
You wouldn't be "messin"--would ya?

The Christian Science Monitor 1983 03 24 

Opinion and Commentary; Pg. 23 

Friction in the Middle East 

-BY- Joseph C. Harsch 

The commandant of the United States Marine Corps asserted to the 
US Secretary of Defense in a formal letter dated March 14, then 
made public on March 17, that his men on duty in Lebanon have 
been persistently ''harassed, endangered, and degraded'' by 
Israeli troops. 

The government of the US gave a copy of the letter to the 
Israeli government, which replied on March 18 recognizing that 
there has been friction between US and Israeli forces in Lebanon 
but blaming it on the alleged refusal of US forces in the area 
to permit liaison between the two forces. 

Two days later the commander of the US Marine force in Lebanon 
stated publicly that Israeli forces have been endangering both 
US Marines and local civilians by ''gross lack of fire 
discipline.'' 

These episodes are the latest surface manifestation of friction 
which has persisted in Lebanon between Israeli and US forces 
almost from the beginning of the US military presence there last 
September. 

The record shows a series of incidents in early January (Jan. 5, 
6, 8, 11, and 17). In all of these, Israeli forces attempted to 
pursue Palestinians who had entered American lines to escape. In 
each case the Marines refused to permit the Israelis to go 
through their lines. 

On Jan. 21 there was another incident when the marines reported 
that an Israeli jeep ''nudged'' an American officer and Israeli 
tanks pushed through barbed wire marking the boundary of the 
marines' position. On Jan. 25 the Pentagon in Washington said it 
was making an ''analysis'' of the earlier incidents. 

On Feb. 2 occurred the most dramatic and widely reported 
incident. An Israeli tank attempted to push through a US Marine 
roadblock. US Marine Capt. Charles B. Johnson loaded his 
revolver, jumped up on the Israeli tank, and stated that they 
would pass ''only over my dead body.'' His action was commended 
by President Reagan. 

On Feb. 5 unnamed ''leaders'' at the Pentagon were quoted as 
charging that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon (since 
replaced) had been pursuing a policy of trying to ''discredit'' 
the international peacekeeping force in Lebanon. 

On Feb. 10 US Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger rejected an 
Israeli proposal for sharing information gained by Israel during 
its 1982 fighting in Lebanon. Secretary Weinberger stated that 
the conditions attached by the Israelis to the deal were 
unacceptable. One condition was that the US must not pass along 
the information to its NATO allies. (Israel dropped the 
conditions on March 21.) 

On Feb. 27 President Reagan talked about the possibility of US 
armed forces protecting Israel's northern frontier. The Israeli 
government immediately rejected the idea. 

Apparently there were further incidents during the first and 
second weeks of March although the accounts of these have not 
yet been reported in detail. 

Whatever they were caused Gen. Robert H. Barrow, commandant of 
the US Marine Corps, to state in his letter that ''it is time 
for firm and strong action to demonstrate to the Israelis that a 
role as a peacekeeper does not presume weakness.'' 

All of this points up a conflict of interest opening between the 
US and Israel. The US has sent its troops into Lebanon not to 
support and strengthen Israel's position in Lebanon, but to 
support and sustain the government of Lebanon in its own effort 
to regain control over its entire territory. US Marines are not 
there to help Israeli forces run down escaping Palestinians but 
to protect Lebanon and Lebanese from violence from all 
outsiders. US policy is not supporting Israel in its desire to 
maintain a continuing military presence in southern Lebanon. It 
is doing what it can through diplomacy and persuasion to get the 
Israelis out of Lebanon entirely and permanently. 

Add to the above that the President of the United States, like 
all his predecessors since the 1967 war, favors the withdrawal 
of Israeli forces from territories occupied by Israel since that 
war, including the West Bank of Palestine. 

Right now is the moment of decision on whether US presidential 
policy will prevail and the Palestinians will be allowed to have 
a homeland of their own in Palestine or whether Mr. Begin will 
prevail and proceed to the annexation of the occupied 
territories. 

The President is pursuing a policy which would show the US as a 
fair intermediary between Israel and the Arabs. Mr. Begin is 
pursuing a policy which would give Israel sovereignty over all 
of Palestine, dominion over a sullen and irreconcilable Arab 
population, and endless hostility between itself and the rest of 
the Arab world. 

The two policies are incompatible. The incompatibility is 
showing along the margin in Lebanon where Israeli forces are 
supporting one policy and the US Marines a contrary policy. 


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...guess that means no polite knock..knock..then eh,...more 
likely the use of those heavy door busters S.W.A.T. teams use I 
suspect...hmmmm..

"...guess that means no polite knock..knock..then eh,...more 
likely the use of those heavy door busters S.W.A.T. teams 
use I 
suspect...hmmmm.."

I guess I missed the message of you're reply.

I'm still waiting for the car bombs and the FBI,CIA,and all the 
tough boys Spy and EagleTurd promised me.And with that I can 
probably expect some childish symbols from Spy like:
 :( Osama's dog....sum dead talibanz
 A---is for Osama's dog andrew
 B---is foer ummmm......a.....ummmmmm

Spy, when I said mix of opinions, I didn't want to go there 
either, but I was talking specifically about snake~~eyes, 
Justice and Justice U.S.A. As an observation, they use the board 
in a different way. If I may be so bold they, not always, but 
generally use the board to express their feelings 'vociferously' 
at that particular point in time, I just don't see that as much 
any more, that's what I meant. I really did NOT want to name, 
names. I hope they'll forgive me.

Get back to me...

"And oi - Italian Guy, yeah you!  You don't know me yet but you 
                      can fuck right off you little piecce of 
greasy shit!"
       
   Boy,that was some funny shit!!!LOL!!

you little piecce of greasy shit!" LOL!!!

Take you're pick!...I wasn't quite sure what you meant either!..

Variant1: that everbody's coming onto the board, ie; this board

Variant2: U.S. troops going in on the ground in Afghanistan in a 
big rather(as stated in my previous post) rather than a small way

Get back to again..

re:From: Spy 
To: U.K.Citizen 
Subject: "mix of opinions" 
Date: Mon Nov 26 21:37:08 2001 

I know I'm risking the wraft of this boards participants but 
you wouldn't be doing uk voices & wally boy;Would You ?
I'as just wonderin' if ya got us good---(therory kind of thing)

You're cleaver enough:-)

Are you really Elmer Fudd?I know I'm risking the wraft?

From my point of view interesting in one way , as well as 
mortifying, in another. No sooner had I expressed my solidarity 
with EagleEye when not long after (was it a day or two, a 
week..I'd have to check), U.K.Voices entered the scene. He set 
about almost deliberately trying to undo the cordially and 
support I'd expressed at the time. I recall mentioning to 
EagleEye not to hold back comments because I was from an allied 
nation, ie; Britain. Not everybody just because there from an 
allied nation would necassarily hold my supportive view of the 
postion America found itself in after September's surprise 
attacks. However, I knew that I represented the vast majority of 
public opion in support of the U.S. I could see how it looked, 
and I'm glad you've raised the issue, because some suspicion may 
have been at the back of your mind,...I would have been at the 
back of mine.

Mortifying, because it was an unpleasant coincidence. Aside from 
the obvous handle U.K.Voices, I knew he was British from the way 
he wrote and the refernces he used...

Your thoughts? 

also drink more--it's cheap meds for you.
Plus--most 7-11's open all night.

you got all the connections boy---

"From: Walter 
To: EaglePuss 
Date: Mon Nov 26 21:38:01 2001 
Message:
Yes I AM planning a flight,and I'll act however I damn well want 
to!(LOL!!!)I remember you makeing threats to me about the FBI 
too,and strange.........haven't seen them yet!(LOL!!!)have you?"

Waldo ... I was certain the Thorazine would help - yet now you 
are not only confusing us, your own online personalities, but 
you can no longer differentiate me from John and Spy.  I dont 
recall ever mentioning that you were to be concerned with the 
FBI, though for some of your earlier commentary, It wouldnt piss 
me off if they were to pay you an unlikely visit.  


As a conservative tax despising US citizen, 2002 is going to be 
my year of NO WHINING about taxation ..... I can only hope it 
will go to more BLU-82's, Soldiers, airplanes, and FBI 
salaries/manpower[agent Scully's too].... just so you "might" 
get a visit.  So hows your new entertainment DVD empire coming 
along?  Ya know - they nailed Capone for tax evasion.

Always the shit talker!LOL!!! Its been 11 days,and no 
FBI,CIA,or....clicking noises! Looking forward to meeting you if 
you can borrow your sister's bike!

slow news day for me:-)

You know the name---look up the number.

Spy's raised some issues regarding my identity, that's O.K. 
Shall hopeflly clear this up, eventually. I was wondering, did 
my last post to you offend (I (mispelt again..meant A little 
quiet), Sorry not a fast typer, plenty of typos this evening!

You know,you've never posted your name,boo boo.

This has been an interesting evening, think you'd agree, should 
provide a few laughs for some others no doubt.

re: your post re: "seems unusually quiet"

What DID you mean, by the way?

Time for the bi-weekly back wax and unibrow pluck.

As far as the Italian guy being a "greasy" whatever ...... beats 
the hell out of being a "three days of bad road on camel back, 
no bathing stinking ARAB shit" as yourself.... but to each his 
own.

oink 

Hey U.K.,
I thought I might be able to help shed just a little light on 
why my buddy snake-eyes uses the board the way she...yes, 
she...does.  She has a lot of fear in her life right now...it 
all began on 9/11.  This board is a place where she can express 
her feelings "vociferously" without being afraid of hurting 
anyone's feelings (something she worries about way too much).  I 
encouraged her to come here for exactly that purpose...I hope 
you all don't mind.  She really needs the room to vent 
occasionally with a nephew sailing around out there somewhere, 2 
nieces (one of whom wants to be a Navy pilot, and a daughter who 
just had a cancerous tumor removed from her spine...like I 
said...a whole lotta fear.  She hasn't slept well for months 
now...since 9/11, so I hope you'll make allowances for her, and 
allow her to continue to come here and be emboldened by the 
likes of Eagle-Eye and Spy.

Arab?LOL!!!! Who said I was an Arab? 
Oh yes............as for Capone.....they were grasping for 
anything they could to get him into custody......
Now,if you could only find out who I am...............you could 
get a reward! Be sure to spell your name right though.....so they 
know who to send the check to.............LOL!!!

Nice to see you all again.  I've been away a bit lately.  Spent 
5 days in a hospital...don't ever get sick near Conway, 
AR...they will NOT let you go until they kill you or you walk 
out.  Went in for a hysterectomy...they gave me a minor heart 
attack...luckily no major damage.  As soon as they let me go, I 
headed for the woods again...just got home yesterday.

I'm glad to see you're all still here...I kinda missed you 
all...but, I'm gonna try to NOT keep up with this board 
everyday...can you spell addiction?  Anyhow, keep up the good 
work.

Good ta hear it!

It seemed at that point you wondered why there wasn't more 
of a celebration for our victories.----I was sugesting that the 
American Public and others realizies that this is just a start 
of a long war.

"-- we're just at the threshold of entering 
this house---."

Hey Radio Europe, that was a very good read for me on 
theology. Even though love is made out to be such a human 
emotion, I don't know how anyone can possibly dream of a 
love greater than that of God for his children. Thanks again 
:-). 

Allatti2d, thank you for the kind words. I did not mean to 
sound accusatory at all. I think, in fact, that I might have been 
a little too quick to defend father Guido. I am glad that he 
practices what he preaches, but I didn't see any need for 
attacks on John and Eagle, who meant very well in their 
communications with him. No doubt he means well. I thank 
you for your appreciation of me as another human being. I 
certainly appreciate you as a sister in faith. There really is no 
reason why mankind should not be together as a family. 
God help us all. 

Father Guido - I do appreciate your coming here and your 
spiritual kickstart. I think, as you may see now the tenuous 
communication on this site makes it more costly to accuse 
and belittle another. In comparison, your quickness to judge 
a couple people who mean very well was not harsh, but 
considering the source - it was disconcerting. I hope to see 
you on the other side too though :-) By the Grace of God!

Oh shoot, I almost forgot to voice my support for our bravest 
over in Afghanistan! Keep praying for our soldiers. This is 
going to be a tough one (it might actually take more than a 
month!). 

UK Citizen, it's good to hear from you. I don't think the 
people's responses changed due to your presence, but 
because of the time passing and the constant news and the 
emotional effort it takes to respond to some things. I won't 
hold back, I'm just getting warmed up -spiritually anyhow- 
I'm like a car with a five speed transmission and I only have 
the 1st and 5th gear! By the way, there's no need to be so 
self-effacing! You're as valuable as the rest of us! :-). 

Glory!

Missin', Hi..err..regarding snake~~eyes I obviously never 
realised, cue great embarrasment...I can't apologise to her 
enough! Sorry that came over really badly, but I did not wish to 
name names in the first place to be honest, but there we go. 
Sorry, this has been strange night! I still however hold to 
those sentiments I expressed however about hearing more from 
everyone. I guess I was being, I suppose, over-senstitive as to 
my possible impact on this board. I was attempted to express the 
very opposite of what you were suggesting, that it would be nice 
to read the posts of those that, rightly or wrongly, it seemed 
were more prevelant before I joined. But people use the board in 
different ways. Sorry we had to be introduced to each other in 
circumstances such as this..no offence was intented. 

Missin', you in a funny way, have expressed exactly the point I 
was trying to put across to EagleEye. Nobody..of course needs to 
ask me for allowances to be on the board. I had no intention 
whatsoever of causing in offense to anybody, which of course 
includes snake~~eyes and your good self. 

If this reply is not satisfactory, in respect to you and 
snake~~eyes as shall leave this board and not return. This reply 
HAS to truly be satisfactory to you.

I am a man of my word madam, and I shall await your reply.   

For what it's worth, as regarding U.S. troops it was simply 
feeling of 'getting behind the troops' rather than 'glorying in 
victories' so to speak. I'm sure at some deep level the American 
people are of course behind their troops. Anyway I've obviously, 
without meaning to of course, offended some people quite 
unintentionaly. I was going to wait for Missin's reply but I 
think it's best I say my good-byes now. I wish you and the 
American people all the best in the times ahead, I know you'll 
get the job done, America always does, same sentiments apply to 
all the good people on this board.

Tonight was not very pleasant. I don't intend to repeat a night 
such as this.

All the best.

U.K.Citizen.

Hey Spy!Maybe if Jesus ever decides to post here,you can accuse 
him of being Satan!

Hello, I am just wondering if you might settle down and 
actually dicide to converse with some of the people in here. 
Particularly, I wouldn't mind a response. I have been asking 
over and over why you keep writing gibberish and think it 
has content. There may have been a few sentences of value 
in the myriad pages you posted on this website...I can't at 
the moment think of one, but still I'd like to know what your 
take on the situation really is (without the useless insults 
and ignorant shoutings). Do you have any idea of your own 
government's involvement in this war against terrorists? 
Britain lost a lot of its citizens too you know...doesn't that 
make you at least a little upset? I would be content to lump 
you in as a terrorist yourself for some of the things you've 
said (but then that would be ignorant and presumptuous of 
me). 

Understanding that you are a computer scientist, I do not 
expect you to be able to communicate with human beings. I 
have a friend who is fried at the end of the day having to 
enter in code all the time. As a chemist, I am in the same 
boat of not being the best at communication. Us techies are 
not the best trained for that. Seriously though, I would like to 
know how old you are. Maybe your one of the few teenagers 
who visits this site. I'd really like to know because I thought I 
might have been the youngest. 

Well, I just want a clue as to whether or not you are actually 
reading anything anyone else has to say. If you read this, 
please reply with at least a "Yeah I read that post you 
American Pansy!" Or whatever. I won't be too offended as 
long as I know you read.

To everyone else. Sorry I missed the rantings last night! I 
didn't get here in time for the archiving. See you all later!

Saw a piece about those caves tonight. These are not "caves",
they may have started as natural caves but are no longer.
Some three levels deep, fairly complex and how the hell would
you attack them? Osamas boys have been working on them for years
now and even the "bunker busters" wont affect them. They have
them loaded with supplies and ammo, even with electric to some.
 With our marines joining Special Forces on the ground now, 
along with SAS and CIA and most of the country taken from the
taliban, rather than smoke them out, maybe cut off all supply
lines and wait them out may do us well. How many weeks of the
occasional bomb blast and constant Mega Death music can any
true Muslim extremest stand. Bring by Puff the Magic Dragon
a couple times a day straffing the hillside while blasting
Ozzys "Crazy Train", but basically, wait them out. They are
waiting for us right now and I hope we dont fall for what
appears to me, a trap.
 In this piece I saw they asked a former Soviet commander who
fought in this same area how you defeat the enemy up in the
caves, his answer was "you dont".
 Patience, all good things come to those who wait! Snakes
come out when they are hungry then its our choice, catch the
snakes or kill the snakes.

You'll never know--.

Whoa, Brother!  You didn't offend me in any way, shape, or 
form!  I was merely trying to help you understand a poster who 
you might have found enigmatic, in an attempt to make YOU more 
comfortable here.  Please don't leave...I'm flabbergasted that 
you've misunderstood me so badly.  You are one of the very 
reasons I like to come here...it's good to know what's happening 
in the world of allies.

One thing that I think I've tried to convey here all along is 
that there is room in this world for everyone who is willing to 
live in peace.  The only ones I don't mind putting a little 
squeeze on are the obvious assholes like Walter who need a 
life...or maybe just a better one.

Please say you'll stay...I've been downloading some music, and 
I'm gonna feel awful if I didn't get back in time to keep you 
from abandoning ship.

I forgive you,you probably still think you're having hot 
flashes.

Hello, I think I'm starting to understand more of what you're 
upset about. Yes, America is about freedom. This country 
prides itself on the rights of its people, so I don't know if all 
of the stuff being done is bad. However, I do agree that 
people might be going overboard in self-defense. 
Personally, I don't mind living too much with a little bit of risk. 
However, If I had children, I would probably feel differently 
and would mind much less that our government wants to 
wiretap everybody. I think Bush is getting very gung ho about 
this war, but think about it - how must it feel to have that kind 
of support? He's probably just testing the water - the natural 
order of things. Eventually, he'll do something unpopular 
enough that people equally like and dislike him. Personally, 
I think he is a very well meaning individual and is becoming 
a better leader. I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad he was 
elected. He still creeps me out whenever he uses the term 
'evildoers' just sounds creepy. 

Anyhow, would I be wrong in guessing that you, if you aren't 
a Christian, at least have an ideological respect for Jesus? 
I've known a lot of believers who understand the fact that 
most professing Christians these days probably would hate 
Jesus for rebuking their lifestyles. Just a thought. 

Anyhow, how are the meds workin?

Since you aren't the only jerk we've had visit for awhile before 
moving on.

You sure they didn't take that crap out of you to keep the 
defective child population down?Check the jar.

I have NO clue what Walter's problem is...I just can't 
appreciate his style of dealing with it.

By the way, I'm downloading Faith Hill's "There will come a Day-
American Heroes Tribute"  If y'all haven't heard it, I encourage 
you to take a listen.  

"Arab?LOL!!!! Who said I was an Arab?"

LOL!!!!Uh,you did ya freakin hyena.

Hey there Missin'. Walter has a very hard time dealing with 
things. He usually resorts to very derisive comments, mostly 
to get a point across (a practice I can't stand). I got really 
mad at first when he came in laughing about the world trade 
center bombing (though he later said he didn't mean it), and 
I yelled and insulted back. He said he was sorry once, so I 
forgave him. I think he has something to say, but has been 
having trouble saying it nicely. I don't know, I could be 
completely wrong in giving him the benefit of doubt, but I 
know he's smart enough to add something to the 
conversation (after all the crap is overwith). Most of the 
others dismiss him, which is understandable, but I think 
there's more to gain here somehow...Oh, he said once that 
he had lost his ritalin when he was apologizing for 
something he said, so that's where the medication 
comments come from. Nice to see you back here - I hope 
you are on the road to a rapid recovery. That's a biggie. 
EagleEye might be able to offer you a slight bit of solidarity 
;-) (right bud?). 

God bless!

Uh,not in one of my posts did I say I was an Arab.Find it.Talk 
about missing medication!LOL! Some additional help:
Hooked On Phonics
My Pretty Pony
A Dictionary
Weekly Reader (for current events)

That's a hell of a thing to do. Such a personal attack from 
one small insult. Calm down! You don't consider yourself to 
be acting like a jerk? I do, but I still think you are a valuable 
human being. Have a little respect.

Its a damn shame the docs let your mums slip through the cracks 
or you through hers. Dont listen to the dog next door no matter
what he tells you to do.
 What happened to the right issues bwah?

"I have been asking over and over why you keep writing gibberish 
and think it has content."

He's just pissed cuz he can no longer get a work visa thanks to 
the great George W. Bush - and has to work for UK wages vs. 
vastly superior American tech salaries - either that or he's 
still bitter from his dot.bomb contract flame out during the end 
of Bill "is that cigar lit" Clinton's administration.

Noah ... dont bother asking - the zero known as UK Vomit hasnt a 
clue as to why he's here - nor why he's on earth.

I'm fit as a fiddle, Thanks!  Spent the weekend recuperating by 
redecorating my honey's office...complete with colorwashing the 
walls to look like calfskin leather.  Can't keep a good woman 
down, ya know!

I appreciate the run-down on Walter...I'll be watching with you 
for any possible pearls of wisdom amid the garbage he's been 
spewing.

What kind of solidarity, Eagle-Eye?  You have a run-in with a 
cardiologist too?

The Ritalin post was not mine.Contrary to popular belief,I am 
not on any medication.

If you feel the need to bring my name up in every one of your 
posts,I'll be attacking you until the day you stop posting 
here.Feel free!I'm game.

I think someone using your identity may have insinuated that 
you were an Arab. I don't remember whether or not you 
mentioned your ethnicity (not that it matters), but did you say 
that you were Japanese? I'm probably just confusing it while 
you were talking about the internment camps. No need to 
reply, I'm just curious. Why all the belligerence? Is there any 
other way to get your point across? I am assuming you have 
one.

Was when Bill Clinton gave us the line repeatedly about how hard 
he was working - he had never worked harder on his life to come 
up with a solution to this .. to that ... to the other ... yet 
come to find out the 50+ yr old man was doinking a 19 year 
airhead.  The stain on her dress - thats what creeps me out.

Charlie Tree creeps me out worse.

Both now missin' reproductive capabilities.

Shoot, I'm exhausted again.
Eagle, I got a good laugh from your thoughts on UK 
Voiceless. I never thought about the dot.com failure 
bitterness. Oh well, I'll see if all I get is more drivel...Thanks 
for the laughs. 

Walter - Hmm, I don't know who you are because of all the 
other posts by people claiming to be you. I'll stop with the 
medication stuff though - but now you have no excuse for 
your insanity. (I don't have one for mine either...lack of sleep 
maybe). 

If you didn't want me to reply,why are you asking me 
questions?LOL!
 No,I'm not Japanese.
 When people don't act belligerent to me,I won't act that way to 
them.Feel free to take a look to posts to 
You,Allatti2d,Ashraf,and U.K.Citizen for proof.
 Sorry,but I thought calling me Walter the not-Arab was funny as 
hell!LOL!(Jesus!Will he EVER stop with that AOL newbie crap?)

I'm going insane!!! It's time to sleep, but I've enjoyed reading 
and writing...'rithmatic....recess. Ahh regression back to 
grade school. 'twas much simpler then, all I had to do was 
give my lunch money to a bully who I could have beat up with 
one hand. Fun to be a simpleton. They don't make 'em like 
they used to. I stare and stutter at screens and shutters, 
woe when my house falls down. I hope everyone else 
sleeps more than I do. FRRRRRRREEEEDOMMMMMM!!!

g'night

"It was another American girl,wanting some strong Muslim sex.
Your wives and girlfriends come to us when they want someone 
that 
knows how to get it up,and keep it up!
 Its OK,they'll be back........to their Limp existance with you!
See ya later,Noodle Boy!"

A muslim adulterer ..... quite interesting. Alas ..... you had 
also posted that you were glad to see americans die in WTC, and 
a proclaimed Muslim, here in the USA spinning the wheel of Uncle 
Sam's fortune bilking the system...... simple dedution makes you 
Arab .... or at least pretending to play one online.  But like 
everything youve posted so far - its all bullshit.

Night, Fellas. I'm crashing too.

the fun begins?  Oh well ... All the best.

Since when did all the Muslims become Arab?
And by the way.....I laughed my ass off when I posted that......I 
knew that that post would be the one to start the ball 
rolling....it's STILL funny!LOL!!!

Hey Missin'..  I missed Missin'   I hope you're O'K.  I wondered 
and wondered, where's Missin'?

Let me try to put Walter into perspective for you.  He really is 
truly unbalanced.  He has no clue how seriously mentally ill he 
is - As many like he, do not.  I feel sorry for him.  I ignore 
him and he mostly does not challenge me.  Hell few do. What's 
that about?

If folks simply ignore him he will leave and practice his 
irrational rants elsewhere.  We're not in position to help him.  
Hopefully someone will one day before...

I suspect the authorities have checked on him and found him to 
be as I have stated and determined locking him up serves little 
purpose.

Please ignore this poor man.  He really will go find another 
vent for his displaced anger.

John
E...

John Boy....
                 You did ask and I did deliver, so what about 
you???? Your next 
                 message "To ALL" was to take away the rights of 
others was it 
                not? 

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/11/26/phil.hostag
e/index.html 

Certainly this too is the fault of George W. Bush's Enviro 
policy ... right?



MANILA, Philippines (CNN) -- Muslim separatist rebels have 
abducted scores of civilians in the southern city of Zamboanga 
and are using them as human shields against ground and air 
attacks by Philippine troops. 

The rebels, belonging to a disgruntled faction of the Moro 
National Liberation Front (MNLF), have begun moving out of a 
goverment office in Cabatangan with their hostages in tow. 

Thanks! XXXX

Life is so short so make the rest of your life worthy and useful 
to other people and especially dont forget to pray to Allah 
(s.w.t).As time goes on a lot of things happen and sometimes the 
worst thing is blame to those not responsible,like what happen 
to the New York and other places that is being assault by the 
terrorist.They blame the Taliban or the muslim people but they 
can't deny the fact the they are losser. George W. Bush is the 
worst person in the whole UNIVERSE. As we all no the worst 
people go to HELL.....They are the losser in fighting with the 
Taliban people..........BUsh go to hellllllllllllllll

The Philippine Government is the government that is full of 
liar peole especially the president. I thaugt at first she's 
okey but Im so disappointed. I taught that she will up bring the 
peole of Mindanao but shes like aGeorge Bush who is the worst 
person in the world.She is so kind with the another country but 
she did not realize that the Philippine ARMY are all losser in 
every fighting in MIndanao.Accept the reaity that you are all 
losser a lot of family are suffering because of your stupid plan 
that you think is the better solution. Well you are all 
wrong.WHY YOU DONT WANT GIVE THE LAND OF THE MOROS.I can't say 
Independence because since then we are not under by he 
government of the terrorist Americans.

First of all, the word you are looking for is "LOSER" not 
Losser.  I'm not even going to attempt to explain to you two 
just how wrong you are...I'm not sure you've the intelligence to 
understand it.

But, if you think WE and Bush are the losers?  Tell it to the 
Talibaners that have been executed in the streets of Kabul by 
the Northern Alliance according to Muslim law...and the ones 
that have surrendered instead. 

Hey John,
Thanks for the welcome home.  It's good to see you're still 
hanging your hat here!  Where's Simon?  You seen him lately?  I 
go Missin' a lot, my friend...hence the name.  Usually my times 
away mysteriously coincide with Bass Tournaments...but, this is 
off season for that.  I'm spending lots of time in the woods 
this fall, and loving it.  I figure cabin fever is something I 
should delay as long as possible.

Talk to you later!
Missin'

Please be advised posters utilyzing differing handles 
like "Flair" and "Jihan" are most assuredly the same individual 
who also posts under the name we all know so well.  This 
unbalanced individual's need to cause the turmoil is the 
Mephistophelian nourishment he thrives on.  Why feed him by 
recognizing his existance.  I prefer to read less and post less 
frequent than respond to an obvious psychotic seeking only to 
rile.

Have a great day all.  And where is Simon?

John
E...

U.K. Citizen, I expect you to get your EuroTush back here 
posthaste and continue to contribute to the board (or at least 
send me another email!).  I am not often available to come here 
as much as I'd like, and sometimes I miss a day or two of 
reading and posting.  After I received your email this morning, 
I became concerned and came here directly to read the board.  I 
honestly think there was a misunderstanding somewhere along the 
line, and I hope you will re-read and reconsider.  Your posts 
here are among the ones most worthy of reading and considering, 
and, like Missin, your posts are among those that gave me reason 
to stick around here in the first place.

Noah, you are the king of free association!  Sometimes I wonder 
if you've already fallen asleep when you post exhausted! :)  I 
always look forward to your thoughts.

Missin, welcome back, my friend.  We are found out -- you let 
the 'cat' out of the bag! :)  Yes, Snake~~Eyes and Missin and I 
are all females.  I'm glad you're okay post-op, Missin -- I'll 
be sure to warn the bass that you haven't slowed down any!  It's 
sometimes a little challenging to hold up this fort of 
testosterone all by myself!  (By the way... just a day or two 
ago, EagleEye had posted that he was recovering from the Big 
Snip, which was why he felt solidarity with you, in case you 
missed his little informative post to you.)  As a personal note, 
I'd really like to see pictures of the faux-leather walls you 
painted!  Can you post some elsewhere?  Thanks!  As usual, I've 
been Missin you.

P.S. I haven't seen Simon around since you have, unfortunately.

John, I have a slight difference of opinion with regard to a few 
oddball posts that appear here on occasion.  I was able at one 
point to go back and read a few pages of posts from the time 
prior to my arrival (it took me a while realize that previous 
weeks were archived!  Talk about embarrassing...).  There are 
smatterings everywhere of people who fly in and leave their 
thoughts and fly out.  I usually don't respond to them unless 
they decide to stick around for a while, but in some cases even 
the ones that don't stick around sometimes provide food for 
thought and commentary.

Of course, it is possible that the voiceless one might be 
responsible for some vandalism here, but I do doubt it.  And I 
am still pretty convinced that voiceless and Walter are two 
separate people.  I see that Walter is really enjoying the mud 
wrestling with EagleEye, and I have to admit I'm enjoying it 
myself.  I've seen each of them get off a good one, but at this 
point I'd say EagleEye is ahead, points-wise! :)  I'd like to 
see Walter post some of his real thoughts, though.  Those things 
matter to me more.

Always enjoy reading what you have to input here, John.  Keep 
posting!

Ashraf, I hope you read this.  I want you to know that I 
received your last email which addressed many of the questions I 
had for you, and I very much appreciated it.  I need to have a 
good block of time to reply to your email (and of course ask you 
some more questions), which is why I have not yet done so.  
Please be patient, and know that I'll reply as soon as I'm 
able.  I was quite impressed with what you had to say.

I wanted to post this somewhat personal message on this board 
because I am in the process of learning about Ashraf and where 
he is coming from, and I think it opens up a whole new world for 
me with respect to seeing things through new eyes (as I love to 
do in life anyway).  All the intricacies of being human are both 
universal and incredibly unique, and the wonders never cease for 
me in considering humankind as a most incredible creation.  That 
probably makes no sense, but it's the best I can do on my first 
cup of coffee and very cold fingers! :)

Your strange fixation with limpness becomes so much more clear 
now.

From: EagleEye 
                                           To: Missin' 
                                         Subject: solidarity 
                                   Date: Tue Nov 27 00:52:47 2001 
                                            Message:

                           Both now missin' reproductive 
capabilities.

From: EagleEye 
                                     To: Strobg Muslim Sexers 

From: EagleEye 
                                      To: Waldo swine Jigalo 

the info you want re animals for afghan people--is at www.heifer.
org.------------this would be for refugees in pakistan until 
peace comes---somehow this posting is not going on the board!!!
             jackie

wondered how long it would take you to attempt to capitalize on 
that.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-attacks-eu-
extradition1127nov27.story?coll=la%2Dap%2Dtopnews%2Dheadlines

"In all 43 Council of Europe nations, any extradition order 
could be appealed to the European Court of Human Rights in 
Strasbourg, France, whose decisions are binding on all members."

<sarcasm_ON>

Ya know .. I really wish all you euro's would stop meddling in 
our affaris and trying to be the worlds police force. No Death 
Penalty ... BWAH!

you can send goats,pigs, chickens,rabbits, heifers or a share of
one animal or a flock if you cant afford to buy one yourself.
i liked reading the article on comparing religious views of
the Koran with Christian ideals---but fundamentalist views 
are similar to both faiths (unfortunately).does this remind you 
of being three yrs old when yr parents could never be wrong!!?

hi--i forgot Sheep!!  again-its at www.heifer.org.
                     PEACE     jackie

""Iraq is able to defend its self and rights and will not bow to 
threats but only to justice, and right." "

AND .........

""Iraq's U.N. Ambassador Mohammad al-Douri said that as long as 
sanctions remained, "We will not permit ... weapons inspectors. 
We have nothing to inspect." "

Hmmmmm ... let me get this straight, you have the weapons to 
defend yourself and will use them, but you have no weapons to 
inspect?

Allatti2d, Let me go ahead and wish you a Happy Birthday here 
and a day or two early.  Hugsssss Woman!  Regarding the pictures 
you requested...my Santa Honey has hinted that there will be a 
Sony Mavica in my stocking...so, I should be able to send you 
pics a-plenty.  Of course, most WILL feature Bass Du 
Jour...right before I let them go so I can catch them again.  
And, thanks for the recovery wishes...I knew they were lyin' 
about the 4 to 6 week thing...but, it sure is nice having 4 
weeks off with pay.

Eagle-Eye, you ROCK! Sure am glad we never had a chance to 
create another Walter for the world, aren't you? I hear getting 
older makes it more likely! ROFL! I'm with ya on the Iraqi thing 
too.  But, I never expected them to do anything but lie...heck, 
he kills off anyone who knows the truth about anything major 
over there...why would we expect him to tell us anything?

U.K. Citizen...I hope it's only cultural differences that 
allowed you to misconstrue my message.  Please post...You Brits 
are just too danged polite! Hugsssssssss!

Noah, I hope you'll forgive me...I must have been tired last 
night too...I didn't remember that you were "exhausted".  It's 
good to see you.  Been climbing lately?

Okay...off to interview with the company taking over my job, and 
do a little Christmas shopping.  See y'all this evening.

Here's a question for you from another message board that I 
check in on...If you could quarterback the War on Terrorism from 
this point on, how do you think it's gone so far, and what would 
you do next?

ALL ....repeat ALL foreign students here on VISA - good fucking 
bye.  Get an education in your wonderful country ...... its far 
superior anyways ... right?

Middle Eastern business persons here on VISA - get the fuck out 
now - then we'll re-review your paperwork and see for sure if 
you have a legit reason to be here.  If so - fine .... if you 
still want to come back. Racial Profiling ... so what ... 
happens to White Anglo Saxon Males here in USA everyday.  Kinda 
funny hearing African Americans on Talk Radio screaming for 
these people to be picked up and checked out - but thats another 
story.

USA Border closures immediately .......

Somalia, Iraq, Philipines, Hamas, Hezzbolah in that order. Ka 
Boooom.  Maybe something French will get blown up and those 
fuckers will eventually get off their asses and do something 
positive for the world for once.  Other than baaaaad attitude, 
what is their contribution been lately?  Peugot's?  a Bike race?

"you little piecce of greasy shit!" LOL!!!"

You are disgusting.

I'm crushed.

"some sentiments apply to all the good people on this board"
 
Oh, thank you, UK. Good bye.

Its really good to see you so angry.Everybody who isn't 
white---get the fuck out of America---we'll let you know if you 
can come back------that's funny as hell!(LOL!!)
Racial Profiling ... so what ... 
                happens to White Anglo Saxon Males here in USA 
everyday.-----Yeah........right.(once again LOL!)
USA Border closures immediately .......
Your views are not very new.........the Nazis did the same thing 
in the 1930's.I think it's great that you finally presented your 
real views on the board for all to see.

"They blame the Taliban or the muslim people but they 
can't deny the fact the they are losser. George W. Bush is the 
worst person in the whole UNIVERSE. "

As it looks like, the fact is that the taliban are the "losser".
I think the worst person might be... you.

Ya know .. I really wish all you euro's would stop meddling in 
                 our affaris

Affaris ------what is this word?

It could be a very colourful(----ooooh,look at the way he spelled 
it!U.K.Voices?LOL!!!)word meaning like................a trip to 
Africa to hunt elephants and a romantic interest.

"Its really good to see you so angry."

Angry ... moi'?  pretty avg run o' the mill stuff Jigalo.  Spy 
told us all about that "strong Muslem Sex" your so fond of .....

"Everybody who isn't 
white---get the fuck out of America---we'll let you know if you 
can come back------that's funny as hell!(LOL!!)"

I thought so toooo .... but I think if you wipe the shit out of 
your eyes and re-read I was rather specific that I only wanted 
the Middle Eastern ARAB types and other NON AMERICAN, "non-
citizens" to hit the friendly skys.  

"USA Border closures immediately .......
Your views are not very new.........the Nazis did the same thing 
in the 1930's.I think it's great that you finally presented your 
real views on the board for all to see."

I think its even greater that you've finally decided to bathe 
after removing your head from your anus and are just now coming 
to grips with actually being able to read something other than 
your own ill punctuated homosexual rantings ...... 

Had a great idea for you Walterd ..... being the enterprising 
sort that you are ..... Maybe you could offer to play your DVD 
of the WTC attacks as the in flight movie on your next trip to 
Mardi Gras to meet the "boyz", and offer to provide your 
sensational narration.

Your brains must be either on fire, hard drugs or both at the 
same time...

Pour on a little religious doctrine and there you go.

You're lost already, deadly confused...

Your posts bring a totally new meaning to the word 
"disturbed".

After undergoing the baffling ordeal of trying to read your 
posts, we can but conclude that you must be posting from a 
far-away country, where confusion rules and everything bad 
comes from a single person, commanding zombies of your 
kind, the way you're used to. 

And everything good comes from yeah, we know already.

Radio advises you to grow a brain, quicly, try to think for 
yourself and one day you may become a citizen of the world.


This was Radio Europe, from Europe.

We express our disgust with Walters' post.

Clearly he is a mental terrorist, and one without feeling 
whatsoever.

It is exactly this mentality and total lack of ethics on any level 
that makes these kind of psychopaths stand out.

We fully understand his opinions now...



Radio Europe, from Europe

You are most welcome, and you have all the time you need.. no 
rush..

And about your words not making any sense.. they make perfect 
sense.. In fact, what you are doing is considered in Islam to be 
of the greatest forms of worshiping, which is done through 
deeply thinking of Allah's creation.. Inevitably, it leads to 
the growth of your faith in Him.. Keep worshiping.. Keep 
thinking..

I'll answer whatever questions I can..

Peace..

O Muslim woman! Do not be-little the gift of any woman in 
your neighborhood, even if it s a goats hoof. (Al-Hadith ; 
Sahih-Bukhari & Sahih-Muslim) 

salaam,

Radio Europe

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful:

" Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and 
Christians, and Sabians, who ever believes in Allah and the last 
day and do righteous good deeds, shall have their reward with 
their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.. "

Surat Al-Baqara, Verse no.62..

Peace..

Thanx for ur above post, and the Hadith (saying of the Prophet 
Mohammed) may peace and prayers be upon him and Jesus..

Nevertheless, one doesnt need to be a Muslim to worship his 
Creator..

Peace..

NewsFromIran 
=============================
7:03:18 PM 
Moscow, Nov 27 - Russia said on Tuesday that a 
conference in Germany on the makeup of a new 
post-Taliban government should lead to the creation of a 
neutral Afghanistan that remains on good terms with all its 
neighbors.
The Russian Foreign Ministry also reaffirmed its opposition 
to the inclusion in the new administration of Taliban 
members "who have stained themselves through links to 
international terrorism and drug trafficking."

5:07:42 PM 
Tehran, Nov 27 - Iran on Tuesday opposed any deployment 
of multinational forces in the name of establishing security 
in Afghanistan.
"The presence of foreign military forces are contrary to the 
territorial integrity and independence of Afghanistan, which 
could lead to further complication of the situation and 
perturb the trend of return of peace to the war-ravaged 
country," foreign ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Assefi 
said.
"The transitional Afghan government should take up the 
responsibility to establish security through the formation of a 
national police in Afghanistan," he added.
"Under no conditions should the fundamental and decisive 
role of the Afghan people in protecting their basic rights and 
their active participation in determining the country's fate be 
overlooked," Asefi said. 
The Iranian official also regretted the death of many civilians 
during the latest bombings of Mazar-i Sharif and called for 
the respect of international conventions on the rights of the 
prisoners of war. 

=================================
Editorial:
theE.S.D. finds humor in this;"... the rights of the prisoners of 
war." 

#1, Ely's Court
Over-against John Hay Library
66 College Street
Providence, R.I.,U.S.A.

BE THERE !!!

I am so sorry Missin'.  I know you haven't been around lately so 
I will explain myself.  I have multiple personalities and 
require medication.  I sometimes get real upset about things and 
when I forget to take my medicine I just lose it sometimes.  The 
doctor says I should be getting better soon as long as I keep 
taking my meds.  It is hard on my family because we are so poor 
and we can't always afford to buy my medication.  I pray 
everyday for myself and others and hope that all of this will go 
away someday.

Peace be with you,
Walter

Hey, thanks for the info. I bought my sponsored child in India 
a goat last year for Christmas and he liked it a lot. I'll check 
out the site when I get a chance. 

Allatti2d...I get a little too open when I'm exhausted. I just let 
the train coast and see what falls off. Glad to entertain :-). 

Walter, not that my opinion matters much to you, but I think 
you should start speaking with purpose rather than trying to 
correct all of EagleEye's spelling errors. I certainly don't take 
the time to spellcheck each of my posts, or fix typos for that 
matter. Avarice. Do you hear monkeys? 

Wait...I thought I heard a monkey. No, just the wind, but I 
sure wish I had a pet monkey. They're violent, but funny. 
Work is tooooo hard after vacation!! ***theraputic scream***. 

Ashraf, good to see you again, nice to have an open mind 
posting! Perhaps it is true that all who believe and do good 
works will find paradise - it'd save a lot of trouble. However, I 
don't think one can buy their way into heaven with good 
deeds. Human beings are just too imperfect. 

To Jihan Flair (same person)-Even though you cannot really 
speak english, I appreciate you trying. Unfortunately, what 
you wrote was filled with a very healthy dose of ignorance. If 
President Bush is the worst person in the world, I would 
suddenly be quite happy to go about my business and not 
have to worry about being attacked by people only slightly 
less ignorant and hateful than yourself. Come on...you have 
no Idea who Mr. Bush really is.  In fact, you have no idea 
what America really is... Hope you can understand this...surf 
the net for a while and learn before you leap.

Missin'- sorry I forgot to tell you that I was exhausted. I 
stopped posting as that sometime last week. When I first 
saw that you were going to a bass tournament, I was going 
to say that I play bass too! haha, anyway, I hope you have 
some good fishin'. I'm actually going climbing in about 10 
minutes. (fake climbing ya know...too cold to get outdoors). 

See y'all tonight.

Whoever mailed anthrax-laden letters to Washington likely is a 
male, a loner and not connected with the September 11 
terrorists, a top FBI profiler said Friday. 
Investigators believe they are dealing with a single suspect who 
fits a profile similar to serial bombers, like "Unabomber" 
Theodore Kaczynski. They also believe this person is not 
connected to those behind the September 11 attacks on New York 
and Washington, Fitzgerald said. 

Though FBI officials have previously said the letters may have 
come from a person not born in the United States, Fitzgerald 
said he believes otherwise. To him, the mailer appears to be "a 
lone male who doesn't have any direct connection to any foreign 
government." 

He also described the suspect as an "opportunist." 

"We think he reacted to the incidents of September 11 as sort of 
what he saw as his cover, to carry out some sort of plan he may 
have had in the back of his mind to mail this anthrax for 
whatever personal reason he may had, or whatever agenda," he 
said. 

The mailer also displayed some criminal sophistication to cover, 
or "dry clean," his true identity and intent, Fitzgerald said. 
For example, one letter misspelled the word "penicillin" 
as "penacillin," he noted. 

"The spelling of 'penicillin' may be a way for him to 'dumb 
down;' to make it seem like he's somebody other than he really 
is," Fitzgerald said. 

The three letters, which the FBI believes were written by the 
same person, were postmarked in the Trenton, New Jersey, area. 
The FBI believes the sender is familiar with the area because 
the return address was similar to the name of a Trenton-area 
school. 

The FBI is publicizing the personality profile, hoping it might 
jar someone's memory and lead to a suspect. 

55 Waterman Street (East side station)
Providiance, RI.

"Cease Fire" = reload, as in less CNN coverage pisses one
such individual off? Interesting, obvious spellin errors
to throw the hounds off, hmmmm. Also, has one room in residence
offlimits to other residents. All very interesting.

Walter? Any chance you could use different names for each 
personality?  Otherwise, I'm liable to get way confused. Oh, and 
I didn't see anything new in Eagle-Eye's post...same stuff he's 
said before...maybe you missed it the first time?

Eagle-Eye, sounds like a plan.  Especially the Phillipines and 
Iraq.

Ashraf-Nice to see you...Ephesians 2.8 For by grace you have 
been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is 
the GIFT of God--2.9 Not the result of works, so that no one may 
boast.

Noah, no problem hon.  Glad you're getting away for some nice 
relaxing exercise.

Radio Europe-Great to see you too!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011127/hl/sexual_1.html

As far as your "strong Muslem sex" crack goes ...... You and 
your boyz were a "no show".  Even Francios kicked your ass.

appears Sex is best out here in the Wild Wild West.

More news on the human fireball from the mall in Cherry Vally,
Illinois.
 His mother was interviewed in the Rockford Register Star today
and ,who would have guessed, he had a history of mental problems,
and the family tried to help by taking him to doctors, but his
mother said, "he fooled them all". Friends said he was never
violent in any way but had many "causes to fight for".
 The mother said he had been living in California fighting for
the forests in some tree hugger group until recently. He always
wore a heavy chain with a lock around his neck (I shit you not)
to symbolize the suffering of the children in China. The mother
said this time of year was his time to protest against material
posessions,trinkets and the waste of money that could help
the needy.
 The kicker is his mother was across the road from the mall at
Menards when she heard employees and customers talking about
the guy lighting himself on fire and she thought right away
it was her son. (the newspaper has a website).
 Give mums a call.

I think Walter falls in the "One in 10 people said they never 
had sex".

www.rrstar.com

Missin:If you actually have a question,try to ask it in an 
intelligent manner.
 EagleLimp:I lied;I'm not a Muslim either.Try not to be so 
gullible in the future.And if you didn't give a fuck,you wouldn't 
waste your time with long,drawn out posts.
 om/cf:Its a sad story,but a lot of times the family just lets 
things go on and on,but of course when the media gets there they 
turn into the loving,caring,family that they never were.I'm 
cynical as hell,so I strongly suspect his mother was at Menards 
buying a couple of"Duraflames"for him.
 Justice:If you think I'm the guy mailing those letters,by all 
means turn that important information in!Believe me,if I thought 
it was you,I'd do it in a fuckin heartbeat.

"EagleLimp:I lied"

No shit holmes .....it was rather sarcastic.not all muslims are 
arabs,true-but rare is the Muslim homosexual.try not to be so 
obvious.

Im no Arab/Muslim scholar or a student of those that pretend to 
be Arabs/Muslims online..... but can only imagine what is meant 
by "Strong Muslim Sex" is another males firm grip on the others 
genitalia, or those of swine.

You guys shouldn't worry so much about my sex life.......unless 
you want me to fuck ya.LOL!!!

Well, well, well.  Your inquisitive nature surprises me.  But 
even more, I am amused that speculation and confusion leads 
people to think I am the same as Walter and (even more unlikely) 
the same as U.K.Citizen! Spy you're such a little thick stick!  
Suspicious like the Pentagon (I bet you took that as a 
compliment because you'd probably do anything to work there even 
as a janitor befitting of your affinity for faeces) but still a 
thick stick.

Shame on you all for being so insecure that you'll let your 
minds be so fooled into thinking that there could not be more 
than one person ever having different views to yours.  
Arrogance.  That was what let the Romans fall - not that your 
nation has reached the heights of the Roman Empire.  But I can 
see that the little power you've wielded over a famine-ridden 
defenceless country has gotten to your little heads and you've 
become intoxicated with illusions of power.

U.K Citizen - my last post to you was along the lines of "why do 
you not bother telling people here what the UK populace really 
thinks?".  Did you ignore that?  Why butter them up?  If you 
really care for anyone then tell them the truth - unless you're 
admitting they can't handle the truth.  You've been asked 
to "bring a little UK local knowledge to bear on that shit for 
brains puke UK Vomit" from the illustriously eloquent 
EagleEyes.  Give him more truth.  No doubt you'll not want to 
hurt sensitivities and you might want to water down your 
information so that the brave Eagle can take the easier-to-
swallow niblets into it's little throat without choking too 
hard.  But you'll have to really put the gloss on your thoughts 
if the Eagle is to compute them its pea-sized birdbrain.  
Anyway - your choice because we still have the freedom to choose 
in Britain thanks to our system of government not being as 
twitchy/jumpy as eagle's "democratically (my foot) elected" 
trigger-happy group of bandits.  
If you want help on telling them wha we think then here's some 
to start you off.....

From the BBC about the anti-war protest:  
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1662000/1662656.stm)
Organisers estimated that 100,000 had marched from Hyde Park to 
Trafalgar Square for the event.
Labour MP Alan Simpson told the crowd: "When people say 'the 
bombing has won, the Taleban have been driven out', I say that 
it is not the answer at all. "We have seen the removal of one 
feudal tyranny, only for it to be replaced by another." 
Fellow Labour MP Paul Marsden accused Tony Blair of being "drunk 
with power" in his handling of the war on terrorism.  He told 
the rally: "You are sending another powerful message to Number 
10 and to the White House that we are not simply going to allow 
the atrocities of September 11 to be replaced with further 
atrocities in Afghanistan." 


By the way, do you think I should change my handle if it 
confuses them so much?  Maybe I'll change the "U.K." to "G.B." 
so they don't accidentally keep making the connection with you.

I noted your earlier words to eagle.......

"The Taliban and their Ilk, this is their thing......I don't 
doubt for one second the resolve and effectiveness of U.S. 
troops. Things, so far, have gone better than most would have 
hoped for, and in such a brief time............. Maybe I'm way 
off line here, maybe I've misjudged or have missed something 
here............ UK troops and their role in this, which is 
frankly miniscule in comparison to the American effort."

Now - for crying out loud Citizen!  Be yourself like you're 
telling others to be!  Don't come out with this "please don't 
take this badly oh master but if I may be so bold as to point 
out the obvious to you" attitude.  Don't you respect eagle's 
ability to take it on the chin?  Are you becoming a nancy boy 
yourself?  Behave!

I'll translate this for eagle......"The Taliban (and anyone else 
for that matter) are too good for you on the ground and when you 
bothered to do something other than bomb from a safe distance, 
they kicked your butt when your elite troops went in.  Things 
have gone well so far since you left the fighting to the men of 
the Northern Alliance even though they are a bunch of wasters, 
they secured the major cities for your boys to come and claim a 
victory.  I'm not misjudging the situation when I state that the 
UK troops have pretended to have either miniscule or no role in 
this but have turned the situation around and actually been 
successful rather than getting in a shambolic mess like your 
guys did.  Please learn the skill of modern warfare before your 
incompetence puts any of our boys at risk trying to bail you 
out." 

That's what you really meant to say so say it. Eagle might cry 
but it won't tell you about it  -so don't worry.  And what's all 
this about me coming on the scene to break up the little cosy 
relationship between you and your mates?  I can assure you that 
was not what drove me to write my posts.

OM/CF: You are so not with it.  you say...." UK Voices is no way 
British. I've worked with and partied with quite a few Brits and 
he is not."  Your very own U.K. Citizen (amongst others) has 
backed up me being British.  Deny it if you have to just to stay 
sane.  Has it not occured to you that many brits humour your 
kind?  That's because you sulk.  If they "partied with you" then 
they didn't want a wet blanket as company.  So they didn't 
bother to hurt your feelings.  But if you had mentioned to them, 
the things you mention here, then they would have given you a 
proper education whether you liked it or not.  Believe me, being 
a brit, I've partied with more than you have.

Ya should use greater discretion when threatening your "charms" 
on us older men - else they'll revoke your Presidential NAMBLA 
membership. I can only imagine how crushed your nephew would be.

I came to this board by chance.  I was searching for info on 
Afghanistan and the Taliban to enlighten myself further.  This 
URL was pretending to be something it clearly isn't.  I stayed 
to read the posts and was disturbed to find how some here 
abusively attacked some very reasonable poster from the UK.  He 
wrote condolences for the WTC attacks but also tried very 
politely to offer his opinion on how he saw the world seeing the 
only remaining superpower.  The snake-eyes, spy and others just 
attacked his views and came out with the most dire responses not 
befitting of a civilised nation. He left and never posted 
again.  So I decided to give my views and to use antagnoistic 
language where necessary to show that we can all do the same to 
each other.  My points did hit home very hard and the responses 
I got were not surprising so I gave more opinions with 
references and urls to back them up.  The threats and attacks 
that were returned just made me laugh and so after showing this 
stuff to other friends/collegues, I occasionally came back to 
stir the cauldron.  However, despite the stupid responses and 
denials, I honestly believe that most people here have realised 
there is much truth in my posts and they have opened their eyes 
a bit more.

My posts here last week were insulting to some and also did not 
really bother to strike up any real conversation with anyone.  
That was for my own benefit and a result of not receiving any 
worthwhile replies to the serious posts I submitted a few weeks 
back.   Some have questioned why I seem to cause friction here 
and have asked for my real thoughts (yes Noah - though you have 
been childish - I did read your post) and so I'll write them out 
below.  

I cannot tolerate ignorance and some people here have shown 
ignorance on a humongous scale. To top it all, they have not 
bothered to take on board the real sentiments of the rest of the 
world.  So many people died on Sept 11th and many more after 
that in Afghanistan.  It is a real insult to the deceased that 
these events have shown Americans that all is not well with 
their actions/image around the world.  But still a minority of 
ultra-nationalist Americans refuse to try to understand the 
impact of world events.  America has been accused of being 
insular by Americans themselves (let alone by many around the 
world) and yet some are pressing on in denial.  Why is that?  
What is there in the American psyche that makes so many so 
insecure?  Is it the education system?  It can't be.  At 
university, I studied with American exchange students and we 
socialised often. Some became good friends and we've kept in 
touch thus now knowing each other for more than ten years.  
These people, after meeting us Europeans, have the ability to 
recognise the world and the diversity of the people it 
accomodates.  They too realise that variety is good, colourful, 
exciting and to be cherished rather than drowned out in the 
large booming rantings of the "American Way".  They also saw 
that many cultures within this variety have stood the greater 
tests of time (centuries and millenia) and thus will not falter 
when challenged.  It is therefore futile to keep banging the 
drum of CNN around the world to impose the impression that the 
US of A is the fair reporter of world events.  Even then we all 
saw through the pro-American-tinted filters put on the cameras.  
The rest of the world is tired of seeing egotistical wailings of 
Hollywood proclaiming the US to be the saviour of all helpless 
humanity in subtle propaganda films such as Sudden Impact, 
Meteoroid and Independance Day.  Tongue-in-cheek like "The Fifth 
Element" maybe entertaining but still reflective of an industry 
full of adolescent testosterone in that it has to use English 
stereotypes for the bad/evil guys.  Why is that? Is it due to 
some kind of deep-rooted inferiority complex that gives rise to 
the need to dirty everyone else's cultures just to create a 
favourable comparison with the US? Why is this need so great?  
Why don't we do it here? Well, we English have a reputation for 
being able to make fun of ourselves in our comedies and we don't 
need to tread on others to feel good. Simple reason is that we a 
a mature country with a rich track record reflected in our 
history of having conquered our challenges and respected so many 
others.  As pioneers in acquiring foreign shores, we did make 
mistakes of imposing our way of life on others but we soon 
learned that was not the way.  Why can't you learn?  Is respect 
for others really that complex a concept to you?

Here's some stuff for you to follow up if you think I'm 
lying......

Our Newspaper Daily Express: Bush has final say on secret trials 

...Mr Bush is under fire from civil liberties groups for signing 
a law
allowing foreign terrorist suspects to go on trial in front of 
military
judges without seeing the evidence against them. The tribunals, 
which
would have the power to order executions, were last used in the 
Second
World War to prosecute Nazi infiltrators and could take place in
complete secrecy...No such trial is known to have taken place but
because of the strict secrecy they will operate under it is 
possible
that terror suspects could already have been executed without 
anyone
knowing.
http://www.express.co.uk/story2.html?story=3&r=308909923112168759



Noam Chomsky
'The US is an indicted terrorist state'
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?
click_id=3&art_id=ct20011111190122948U232530&set_id=1
November 11 2001 at 07:01PM
 
Madras, India - The bombing of Afghanistan was a greater crime 
than the September 11 US terror attacks, noted American social 
critic and philosopher Noam Chomsky told a seminar here on 
Sunday. 

He said the Western approach to the Afghan conflict was 
both "shortsighted" and "catastrophic". 

"The United States is an indicted terrorist state," Chomsky 
said. It had committed several acts of aggression against other 
nations and frequently violated all canons of international law. 
He said it had no moral right to be a critic of terrorism, 
having committed the same crimes. 

"The US has trained groups of terrorists to overthrow 
governments found to be inconvenient to its interests and 
replace them with its own lackeys," Chomsky said. 

'Globalisation is a conspiracy of the Western elite to establish 
private tyrannies across the world' 
He added that the US did not bother to get the sanction of the 
UN Security Council for its war on Afghanistan. "Despite knowing 
it was easily obtainable, it did not get the sanction only 
because it did not want to acknowledge such a need and thereby 
compromise on its own right to act unilaterally." 

He added that globalisation, "as passionately promoted" by the 
Western world, only led to a further divide between the haves 
and have-nots. 

"Globalisation is a conspiracy of the Western elite to establish 
private tyrannies across the world," said Chomsky. 

The globalisation process invariably benefited a small 
community, even within a prosperous nation like the US. 

"The argument that globalisation will promote prosperity is only 
a myth," said Chomsky. 

"In the backdrop of such pressures being exerted on the rest of 
the world by affluent Western powers, the future of the masses 
can only be guaranteed by popular movements championing human 
rights and environmental issues." 

He said "US hegemony" had increased with the collapse of the 
Soviet Union and the emergence of a unipolar world. 

"During the existence of the Soviet Union, the rest of the world 
had some manoeuvring space between the two superpowers, and the 
Non-Aligned Movement gathered strength. 

"Also, the victims of one superpower managed to get support from 
the other." 

Saying the US was not a democracy, Chomsky said it was dominated 
by the rich, who indoctrinated society with "a consumerist 
culture". 

Chomsky is one of America's most prominent political 
dissidents. - Sapa-AFP

If you want more then I'll post some more later.

Gay Muslims may be coming out of the closet, at least in Cairo
Egypt. Amd man are they being "cracked" down on. Check out
www.metimes.com.

Are Americans getting the full picture from TV? 
 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?
art_ID=1425953467
CHICAGO: Jingoistic, sugar-coated, superficial -- those are just 
some of the criticisms levelled at US television networks' 
coverage of the conflict in Afghanistan in recent days -- and 
not just by the foreign competition. 

Columnists for newspapers as diverse as the conservative Wall 
Street Journal and the liberal New York Times have deplored what 
they described as the networks' shallow and soft-focus 
reporting. 

The Journal's Tunku Varadarajan has attacked the superficial 
analysis offered by CNN's "parachute" journalists, while the 
Times' Caryn James lamented US television's knee-jerk pandering 
to the public mood. 

Weighing into the US cable and networks for their "myopic view," 
James criticised editors for caving into patriotism "rather than 
informing viewers of the complex, sometimes harsh realities they 
need to know. 

"If a priority of America's war on terror is holding a global 
coalition together, it helps to know, without sugar-coating, 
what the rest of the globe is thinking," she wrote. 

At a media industry conference this week in Barcelona, Spain, 
the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's news chief said he was 
startled by the contrast between US and European small-screen 
coverage of the 40-day-old war. 

"It's like watching two different wars," said Tony Burman, 
executive director of Canada's national public broadcaster. "The 
BBC has focused very much on the humanitarian issues in the 
region ... the human dimension," while NBC, ABC and CBS had 
anchored their reports "almost exclusively," around Pentagon 
briefings, he explained. 

"There seems to be a real reluctance on the part of the US 
television media to dwell on the human impact," he said. 

Burman also noted that the "uncritical, hyper-patriotic" 
reporting differed remarkably little between the three national 
networks, who he felt, were all toeing the administration line. 

"They're in lockstep with the administration ... and there's no 
distinction between the networks, which is unusual in a 
competitive environment." 

Bill Wheatley, vice president of NBC News, brushed aside the 
accusations. 

"(Our) coverage of the war isn't slanted in any way," he 
said. "Our focus, quite properly, has been on the American war 
effort and that's what our viewers expect." 

US television coverage needed to be seen in the context of 
September 11 and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the 
Pentagon which claimed some 4,500 lives, he pointed out. 

As for objectivity and balance -- "We haven't shied away from 
dealing with the fact that there has been collateral damage ... 
and not everything in the war has gone well," said Wheatley. 

Nevertheless, some dissatisfied viewers are turning to foreign 
media, notably the BBC, the CBC and Qatar-based Arabic channel 
Al-Jazeera for their information. 

One of those is Claire Namenko, a 53-year-old antiques dealer, 
who lives in Detroit, Michigan, a city not far from the US-
Canadian border where many Americans can receive Canadian 
channels that carry CBC programming. 

"It's more complete ... more objective," she said, explaining 
her preference for the CBC. 

"You hear more about what the rest of the world thinks about the 
war, and you get fewer soundbites from US officials." 

There's no way to judge whether the US audience for the CBC or 
BBC has increased since September 11, because neither channel 
qualifies for ratings here. 

But both broadcasters claim to have picked up viewers, both 
around September 11 and then again with the beginning of the US-
led air campaign against Afghanistan. 

Another 26 local access channels have signed up for BBC's daily 
half-hour news programme since September 11, and the 
corporation's commercial arm, BBC Worldwide, is selling its war 
expertise in an advertising campaign featured in Newsweek, Time 
and the New York Times magazine among others, according to BBC 
Worldwide spokesman Josh Weinberg. 

The message? 

"There are 191 countries in the world. How many does your news 
cover?" 
( AFP ) 




Global Eye -- A Thirsty Evil
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2001/11/23/107.html
By Chris Floyd   

Are you a terrorist? If you don't know, you'd better find out 
fast. Because Uncle Sam's made a list and he's checking it 
twice -- "40 to 50 countries" targeted for possible "U.S. 
action," according to America's securely-located vice president, 
Dick "Chicken Hawk" Cheney. As the man says, a hard rain's a-
gonna fall.

So here's a simple test to check your moral worthiness and see 
if you can escape God's -- sorry, Bush's -- all-devouring wrath. 
Have you ever gone out for a beer and bought a Stella Artois 
instead of a Bud? Then you, my friend, have engaged in a 
conspiracy to cause "adverse effects" to the economy of the 
United States. And that makes you one of the evildoers.

So says the great Oval Object in his latest executive order, in 
which he grants himself the power to have anyone he designates 
as a terrorist to be tried by secret military tribunals and 
executed without appeal. Bush's dread edict -- which of course 
takes effect without any input from that useless appendage of a 
bygone era, the U.S. Congress -- covers anyone who "causes, 
threatens to cause" or even "has as their aim" to cause "adverse 
effects" on, among other things, the American economy or U.S. 
foreign policy.

 As always, Bush alone retains the right to decide who is and 
who is not a terrorist, just as he alone decides what 
constitutes an "adverse effect" on the United States. Could be a 
bomb, a boycott, a protest, a tariff -- or the wrong beer: it's 
his call.
The edict gives him the power to seize any non-U.S. citizen, in 
any country on earth, and to subject him or her to secret 
summary justice. There is no outside check or oversight of this 
exercise of universal dominion, and no legal recourse for the 
accused -- not even to the laws of their own country.

Never has a single person in the history of the world laid claim 
to such absolute power -- and commanded the military might to 
back it up. For we should also note that Bush now has the 
authority to launch attacks against any nation he chooses, at 
his own discretion, without a vote by Congress or that other 
withered appendage, the United Nations.

And if you don't like it, pal, you can tell it to the judge. The 
military judge. Just before he puts a bullet in your brain.

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No Direction Home 

But what about malcontents in what Bush now calls "the 
Homeland?" Hey, we got it covered. The U.S. government now has 
the power to prosecute any public expression of dissent as an 
act of "domestic terrorism," thanks to the super-duper 
new "U.S.A. Patriot" Act passed, in the dead of night, by 
Congress late last month -- a law which most of the dangling 
legislative appendages freely admit they never read before the 
vote.

Under the new law, you are a "domestic terrorist," subject to 25 
years in prison, if you engage in acts intended to "influence 
the policy of government by intimidation or coercion." Which is, 
of course, the very definition of public protest: the attempt to 
force policy changes on reluctant governments through an 
unsettling display of popular will.

In this case, the Imperial Executive has delegated power to his 
most faithful minion: Attorney General John Ashcroft. It is 
Ashcroft -- the only senator in U.S. history to be rejected by 
voters in favor of a dead man -- who will now define the limits 
of freedom in America.

And Ashcroft -- a prissy religious crank like his boss -- has 
gone about his task with Christian zeal. (After all, your true 
believers know there is a higher law than that secular humanist 
rag, the constitution.) For example, just last week, Ashcroft 
stripped prisoners of the ancient right to confer with legal 
counsel in private, conferring upon himself the power to monitor 
any such conversation whenever he sees fit.

This also applies to people being held without any charge at 
all -- and there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, in that 
category now. We don't know the exact number, because Ashcroft 
no longer tells anyone -- including the Appendages -- how many 
people he's holding, or why he's holding them, or who they are, 
or where they might be, or what he's going to do with them. But 
not to worry; he's taking good care of his nameless captives. 
Why, only one has died in custody so far. At least that we know 
about.

Because Ashcroft's not telling.


Bullet Points

The terrorist attacks on American liberty are coming so fast 
these days you can't keep track of them all, and so your 
inundated Eye is reduced to making mere lists of a few recent 
developments:


Bush insiders begin pushing the idea of using regular Army 
troops to "keep order" among the general populace -- the kind of 
thing that once drove terrorist leaders like George Washington 
and Patrick Henry to violent rebellion.

A rightwing group founded by the vice president's wife, Lynn 
Cheney, issues a list of dozens of academics it considers "short 
on patriotism" for making critical comments about American 
policy. The group plans more "naming and shaming" of individuals 
who are "out of step" with the "Homeland."

Ashcroft orders the interrogation of an additional 5,000 young 
Arab men who entered the country legally during the past two 
years. With a straight face, Ashcroft denies singling out anyone 
on the basis of race, creed, or national origin.

And finally, some good news: Billy Bush, radio DJ and the 
president's first cousin, finds work after being canned by a 
small Virginia radio station for low ratings. He's been hired by 
CNN.

Eagle Brain:

"He's just pissed cuz he can no longer get a work visa thanks to 
the great George W. Bush - and has to work for UK wages vs. 
vastly superior American tech salaries - either that or he's 
still bitter from his dot.bomb contract flame out during the end 
of Bill "is that cigar lit" Clinton's administration."

If you remember correctly, your country's on-line technologies 
tumbled first.  And as for your wages, our Sterling pound has 
always been worth far more than the dollar and I was in San Fran 
a few months back and your wages are nothing to be proud of.  
Especially as we could see that many teams of IT workers in your 
country were being made redundant and their contracts were 
coming to us in the UK.  

Before Sept 11th, your economy was tumbling and ours was still 
growing.  After the 11th your dollar is not worth earning as it 
is worthless compared to our sterling.  Should I say your 
arrogance deserves it? Will that hurt you?  Do I care?


To the Greasy Italian:  I see your country men are confused.  
First they slag off the Islamic People and then they join them.  
What's going on?  Are you going to become a Muslim too?
Full story here:

http://www.arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=10826

Italian envoy reverts to Islam
By Javid Hassan, Arab News Staff


RIYADH, 26 November   The Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, 
Torquato Cardeilli, has reverted to Islam, the Italian Embassy 
here announced yesterday.

Cardeilli, who speaks Arabic, is the first ambassador to revert 
to Islam in Saudi Arabia, home to Islam s holiest sites in 
Makkah and Madinah, according to a dawa center in Batha which 
handles Muslim reversions.

Nouh ibn Nasser, director of the Batha center, said the Italian 
converted on Nov. 15, the day before the start of the holy month 
of Ramadan.

"He came to the office and read the two testimonies (necessary 
to declare faith) and then prayed with us," Nasser said.

Cardeilli, 59, was not available for comment as he left Riyadh 
to Rome on Saturday.

But in a press statement, the ambassador expressed his happiness 
over his reversion to Islam. He said he was fully convinced 
about the truthfulness of Islam through his regular reading of 
God s final revelation, the Holy Qur an.

During his 34-year diplomatic career, Cardeilli, a graduate in 
linguistics and oriental civilization, has been posted to 
several Arab countries and took up his current post in Riyadh in 
November 2000.

Cardeilli was born in 1942. He is married and father of two. He 
was first appointed at the Italian Foreign Ministry s political 
office in 1967 and previously worked as a diplomat in Sudan, 
Syria, Iraq, Libya, Albania and Tanzania.

In September, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi sparked 
outrage across the Arab and Muslim world with remarks over the 
West s "superiority" over Islam.

Berlusconi insisted his comments were misinterpreted by a 
hostile left-wing Italian press and has since outlined his "deep 
respect for Islam" as a great religion.

The dawa center s Nouh said that on average three to four people 
come to his office daily to embrace Islam, and the number rises 
to five during Ramadan.

Twenty similar offices operate in Riyadh and there are many more 
in the other cities throughout the Kingdom.

For his part, Mohammed Abbas Afesh, of the World Assembly of 
Muslim Youth (WAMY), told Arab News that his organization has 
recently distributed a great deal of Islamic literature in 
English among the diplomatic missions in Riyadh, including the 
Italian Embassy.

"We also arranged lectures on various aspects of Islam. As a 
result of this effort, a few people, including some women, 
embraced Islam," Abbas said, adding that the events of Sept. 11 
had sparked a great deal of interest in Islam among Christians.

"They want to know about the concept of jihad and other relevant 
matters. Overall, they are receptive to the message of Islam."

Shame on you all for being so insecure that you'll let your 
                 minds be so fooled into thinking that there 
could not be more 
                     than one person ever having different views 
to yours.  
                 Arrogance.
______________________________________________________

 U.K.Voices,I don't agree with everything in your post,but the 
part I repeated above.............PRICELESS!
 I'm sitting here in America watching everyone pat each other on 
the backs because they think the"war"has been won.The war has 
barely begun.

The best thing about Chomsky in print is when the toilet paper 
roll is over ......

GB/UK Vomits - you really are a fucking idiot.  You realize this 
no?

You'll have to excuse EagleLimp.It just had its tubes tied,and 
can no longer reproduce.Also it has some strange obsession with 
limp penises,Arabs,gigalos,and having sex with members of its own 
family.
 You know its no good trying to talk to it.It will only spout 
some stupid nonsense,and then pronounce it"truth".

You are right sir, now I think those Brits didnt really want to
party with us, maybe just to have a chance to look at those 
tanned, hard bodied gals with me and my buds. Dont get much of
that other than the tele over there! Only big burly prison boys
for you eh, GB openyourmouthandshitrunsout, sir.

Alright! You did read. I'm happy now, but curious as to what 
made you think I was being childish? Was it the monkeys? 
yeah, it had to be my mind spaz - that's not childish, that's 
just insanity. It was good to see something of value in your 
posts though (good idea to use all quotes). 

Man, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when you started 
talking about movies again. Do you live in a video store or 
something? Thanks for being the omniscient revealer to the 
ignorant masses (sorry, using that sarcasm you seem to 
think we don't understand here). Overall, I guess you have a 
point, however inarticulately and haughtily you portray it. I still 
wouldn't rather live anywhere but the US...maybe Canada. 
Call me isolationist or whatever. I just think this is the 
greatest place to live. Umm, by the way, if you think our 
country is immature just because G.B. has been around for 
so many more centuries, why not give us another 100 years 
or so to "grow up". Don't worry your head about what we're 
doing now...we're just growing. Pompous, conceited Brit. I'm 
sorry to get so irked by your messages, I just can't stand 
conceited people. Maybe you aren't ignorant, but you sure 
don't portray yourself that way (not that you care what anyone 
here thinks). Please don't flatter yourself into thinking that 
your posts even have the possibility of hurting our feelings. 
So far, what you've said (excluding your copied articles) has 
done nothing but annoy - like a mosquito. 

History will be the judge of the actions we take today. Do not 
assume that there will be no benefit to this mission to 
eradicate terrorists from the planet. 

One other point I would like to bring up about your 
impression of our armed forces. We've used our air power 
to dominate this mission - is there anything wrong with 
that??? Maybe we should have said, "ok, send in 100,000 
troops so we can increase our odds of American 
casualties!! yeah, that'd be brilliant!". Give me a break - have 
you served in the armed forces? You tout the British 
military's strength as if it matters to you. Say the UK gets 
attacked by a terrorist group and your government decides 
to retaliate. Do you do whatever you can to kill off your army, 
or do you use your technological advantage against the 
enemy? You're a computer genious...figure it out. 
Anyway, I appreciate the entertainment again...Thanks for 
"stirring the cauldron" ol' boy. 

Say, I want to see a movie this weekend. What are your top 
picks?

I have a friend who lives in the dirt
He's a happy man who's often hurt.
"Better to live with no walls and no fears
Even if it requires the presence of tears."

Can I be childish? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese? I'm barely 
out of my teens, I have an excuse (wasted youth). Is Oasis 
still big in the UK? Just curious, I'm always looking for 
factoids from hostile sources. YEEEHAAAW. It's almost one 
EST, so don't mind me, I've nothing better to do but sleep. I 
wan't the attention of a self-important Britain! 
AAAAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Sorry, that was silly. Things keep getting silly around here.

For the cheebah monkeys out there, this one's for you:

AIIEEEEEAAAH CHAAAEEEE CHAEEEE AAAAAHH AAAAHH 
AIIEEEEEEEEAAAH!

Thank you, good night.

..... to attempt this.  Best part of your post so far. 
Buwahahahahahahahaha ... and all you can do about it is sit back 
and cut and paste and whine. LOL!  Why are we arrogant you 
meaningless fuck?  Becasue will kick your scrawny pissant 
countries ass, rip your heads off and shit down your "nancy boy 
necks".  Hey howz Prince Charles ..... bet he misses that 
GoldDigging skank Dianna bout now eh mate?  Talk about Nancy 
Boyz ..... you whole country was pissing itself over some stupid 
skank who blew off your weenie-less prince and was going for 
some of that strong Arab Sexin - hahhahahhahhahahah - whole 
cuntry o nancy boys all over the tele ... day after day.  
Pathetic.

----------------------------------------------

"The edict gives him the power to seize any non-U.S. citizen, in 
any country on earth, and to subject him or her to secret 
summary justice. There is no outside check or oversight of this 
exercise of universal dominion, and no legal recourse for the 
accused -- not even to the laws of their own country.

Never has a single person in the history of the world laid claim 
to such absolute power -- and commanded the military might to 
back it up. For we should also note that Bush now has the 
authority to launch attacks against any nation he chooses, at 
his own discretion, without a vote by Congress or that other 
withered appendage, the United Nations."

What the ...... is Ashcroft monitoring my posts here?  This is 
freakin great .....  Booo Hoooo poor Arab boys.....


"Ashcroft orders the interrogation of an additional 5,000 young 
Arab men who entered the country legally during the past two 
years. With a straight face, Ashcroft denies singling out anyone 
on the basis of race, creed, or national origin."

TTFN Non USA Citizens of Arab/Muslim descent.  Uncle Sams wheels 
are about to stop spinning eh Walterd?

"I came to this board by chance. "

 ...... just as you entered the world.  Your daddy won the the 
game of CHANCE when he bet the local farmer he could sire a son 
from an ASS.  Has the Guiness book contacted you yet?


"I was searching for info on 
Afghanistan and the Taliban to enlighten myself further."

....thats funny we all gathered you knew it all already

his favorite movie by far must be Mel Gibsons depiction of the 
heinous atrocities the English put over on the irishmen and 
William Wallace's rebellion.  I recommend you dvd up on 
BraveHeart in honor of GB Vomit oozing...... And when you think 
of him - think of Longshanks uhhhh "son".

GB Vomit ex-military????? hahahahahahaha he spends more time in 
USA !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!

He disproves of air power usage as his country's flailing  
economy can ill afford such expensive technology.  Britain ... 
the poster child of economic strength and stability ...... 
oooohhhh SHIT my sides hurt ........ your tooo much GB Puke 
Voices.

Directly to you GB Vomit oozing ....

IT development "redundancy" hahahahaha ..... no idiot ... its 
just that your countries starving developers speak the kings 
english, and prices are on par with those of india, but without 
the language barriers ...... shame on you for fooling yourself 
into thinking how "sterling" your economy is based upon your 
exchange rate ...... Hows that un-employment percentage doing 
these days? What a dilusional waste of oxygen.  How embarrassing 
it must be to see Jaguar bastardized to mass production. 
Hahahahahahaha ...... Maybe your slack ass workers might be able 
to make money on a Luxury Razor Scooter?

How angry you must be that the Kyboto Doctrine document you 
sleep with under your pillow now has all the pages stuck 
together ...... spanky.  Does that anger you?  Do I give one 
flying fuck? Neit!

Uncle Sams wheels 
                             are about to stop spinning eh 
Walterd?



Exactly.

"Saying the US was not a democracy, Chomsky said it was 
dominated 
by the rich, who indoctrinated society with "a consumerist 
culture". "

Well wait Gb Vomit ..... Bill Clinton and the democratic Party 
are for the "common american" - not the lackey of the rich 
capitalist pigs.


"Chomsky is one of America's most prominent political 
dissidents."

Now thats comedy ...... if he's so popular here why is his sorry 
ass only able to draw an audience from un-informed Euro's who 
THINK they are so enlightened about America?  Prominent bwuahhhh!

WOW!You're really typing a lot!You're really pissed as 
HELL,aren't you?

I LOVE IT!!! LOL!!!! 

Actually.  The funniest part is - your glued to my every 
word ....... [looking for spelling errors]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!! The spelling errors are all over your posts,and stand out 
easily.........just another uneducated American.

little Kyoto Hoto ......

"But I can 
see that the little power you've wielded over a famine-ridden 
defenceless country has gotten to your little heads and you've 
become intoxicated with illusions of power"

Actually we've been intoxicated with it since we kicked your 
panzy asses off our soil circa 1770's, then when we took a few 
more sips after we had to bail you sissies out of WW2.  Shit 
Spanky - you barely got the fucking Falklands back from a 
defenseless, impoverished squadron of illiterate bandits you 
imperialistic cornholio. How many ships did they sink again?  
Wooo Hooo what an Elite Force! Hahahahaha. Im just glad we didnt 
have to boot you Prince Worshipers off Diego Garcia.  


I was sorry to hear about the Taliban Arabs fucking woopin ass 
on your arrogant journalist from that tabloid rag you call a 
your Bible [Guardian].  Bet he got the WHOLE story on that 
assignment eh SPANKY?  Wonder if it will be a Fair and BALANCED 
report ...... hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha  Oh wait I 
paid my AOL Bill so I can use !!!!LOL! <|;-)~

its my typing that sucks .... and spending time making 
corrections for the likes of you and GB Vomit Emissions would be 
simply a waste of energy.

I realize just how important it is to have impeccable spelling 
for you ..... Im sure you would be really embarrassed to have 
typo's come out on your Gay Pride Parade newsletter.

Monday morning, a detachment from the U.S. 10th Mountain Division
              arrived from Uzbekistan. Perhaps in order to 
prepare the way for an assault
              by the 10th Mountain, the Americans inside the fort 
called in an air strike
              to pound the Taliban position shortly before 11a.m. 
  with disastrous
              results. Perry reports that a massive bomb, later 
identified by officials as a
              U.S. JDAM smart bomb, missed the Taliban position 
by around 600 feet,
              detonating barely 30 feet from the Northern 
alliance position and almost on
              top of the spotters who had called in the strike. 

              The bomb blasted dust and debris hundreds of meters 
into the air and
              created a hole in the fort's 60-feet high dirt 
walls "big enough to drive two
              or three tanks through," says Perry, who witnessed 
the attack. The
              explosion flipped over a Northern Alliance tank, 
trapping the two soldiers
              inside, and buried the Americans under rubble.


ELITE AMERICAN FORCES.........Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

Outside the compound, the American retrieval mission quickly 
turned into
              one of rescue, as the 10th Mountain forces drove 
their seven light vehicles
              into the fort to evacuate the stricken U.S. and 
British troops. Northern
              Alliance commanders were spitting with rage. "Call 
it off!" shouted one
              general as Alliance soldiers streamed out of the 
fort. "Call it off! You've hit
              the wrong people!" Perry can confirm that at least 
three Afghan soldiers
              were killed and four injured by the stray bomb; one 
Northern Alliance
              commander put the numbers far higher, at 30 killed 
and 50 wounded. 

LAND OF THE FREAKS,HOME OF THE STUPID.

""Ashcroft orders the interrogation of an additional 5,000 young 
Arab men who entered the country legally during the past two 
years. With a straight face, Ashcroft denies singling out anyone 
on the basis of race, creed, or national origin.""

I just liquidated all holdings that may be impacted by 7-11 
stores eminent demise - based on the above quote.

"LAND OF THE FREAKS,HOME OF THE STUPID."

Right at home arent you Waldo ...... lying sack of swine feces.

Getting confusing keeping track of all of your bullshit stories 
now eh Waldo?

You're a liar Walter,and I.....I....you suck fucker!!!!!!
I was gonna.......g.....gonna....give you sum of my gum 
b..but...b...but now I won't cuz U R A LIAR WALTER!!!!!!
An....an..........

"I was gonna.......g.....gonna...."

"b..but...b...but now I won't cuz"

Spit out that terd encrusted root you got in ur mouth or swallow 
dude.  Cant understand you with your nephews tool down your 
throat.

Have fun spell checking the newsletter.

But,you know I CAN understand you with your father's tool still 
down YOUR throat.Either a tiny cock,or you have a LOT of 
experience.

P.S.About your mother.........is she still letting neighborhood 
dogs screw her?

I just liquidated all holdings that may be impacted by 7-11 
                        stores eminent demise - based on the 
above quote.

 LOL!!!What'd you do?Pour your Super Big Gulp out on the 
sidewalk?

 Another dim-witted,limp-dick,broke-down,loser!LOL!

#1, Ely's Court
Over-against John Hay Library
66 College Street
Providence, R.I.,U.S.A.

BE THERE !!!

Some additional help:
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                                    Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing

Hi i just wanted to ask whether n e body thinks that Australia 
should send in troops 2 Afganistan???

Why Waldo ... you're not laughing anymore ..... and the 
Thorazine must be wearing off - you've again resorted to the 
necrophilia commentary.  Tsk Tsk .....

Do 99.9% of your posts involve comments about penis?

Thou shall not covet thy neighbors property.

Still laughing!!!! Oooooooooooh!Now he quotes the Bible!
Books On Tape?

http://www.pagesix.com/pagesix/pagesix.htm

What happened to the parents?Killed themselves to get away from 
you?LOL! 

Just for the info......I never bother to go to the URL's you 
post.Look at the bright side......at least money's still rolling 
in from your mothers'Who Let The Dogs Out.

As I watch such liberal leading lights as Vermont Sen. Patrick 
Leahy denounce President Bush and Attorney General John Ashcroft 
for detaining certain aliens to stem future terrorist atrocities 
against Americans, and hear them rail against the 
constitutionality of reinstituting military commissions to bring 
terrorist murderers to justice, I have to wonder: Would their 
views be different if their hero, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 
were president today? 

For a half-century, left-leaning historians have from time to 
time ranked our presidents. FDR always polls among the top. Yet 
if civil liberties are as precious to liberals as they claim, 
FDR's high status is certainly unwarranted. 

One of the issues that has Leahy out of sorts is the 
administration's detention of 1,000 or so aliens. Ashcroft's 
problem is that the Immigration and Naturalization Service and 
the FBI have been unable to effectively track aliens who have 
violated their visas, have criminal records or have links to 
terrorist networks. Thus, in the aftermath of Sept. 11, the 
Justice Department, in short order, has had to determine the 
extent to which such aliens are in this country and pose a 
serious threat to security. 

The Bush administration's detention program seems reasonable in 
its scope and purpose. In contrast, FDR's World War II 
internment of nearly 120,000 people of Japanese ancestry, 
including 70,000 U.S. citizens, was an outrage. 

On Feb. 19, 1942, Roosevelt signed an executive order 
authorizing the secretary of war or military commanders 
designated by him to establish "military areas" from which "any 
or all persons" could be removed. Barely one month after FDR 
issued his order, Japanese Americans and Japanese in America 
were being involuntary removed from their homes on the West 
Coast and transported to incarceration centers in out-of-the-way 
places. 

I suppose if Bush were to follow in FDR's footsteps, he could 
have signed an executive order authorizing Defense Secretary 
Donald Rumsfeld to round up Muslim Americans and force them into 
detention camps. 

Leahy -- joined by some conservatives -- has also condemned 
Bush's Nov. 13 order reestablishing military commissions. The 
critics make two primary charges: (1) Military commissions 
threaten the liberties set forth in the Bill of Rights; (2) our 
civil courts are quite capable of handling these trials. 

Bill of Rights: Bush's order applies to any individual who "is 
or was a member of the organization known as al Qaeda; has 
engaged in, aided or abetted, or conspired to commit acts of 
international terrorism, or acts in preparation therefore, that 
have caused, threaten to cause or have as their aim to cause, 
injury to or adverse effects on the United States, its citizens, 
national security, foreign policy, or economy; has knowingly 
harbored one or more individuals described" herein. U.S. 
citizens -- as well as aliens not associated with al Qaeda -- 
are in no way covered by the president's order. It is difficult 
to see how this violates the Bill of Rights. 

It's worth noting, however, that once again the Democrats' 
favorite president helped blaze this trail. In 1942 the Supreme 
Court ruled that Roosevelt's military commissions were 
constitutional when used to try eight Nazi saboteurs for 
violating the laws of war, spying and conspiracy. The lawyers 
who drafted Bush's order no doubt relied on FDR's court victory 
in that case -- an irony obviously lost on Bush's critics.

Civil Courts: The al Qaeda terrorists are not criminals as 
generally understood but military combatants. Significant 
obstacles stand in the way of their prosecution in American 
civil courts. Among other things, people in and around 
courtrooms, including judges, juries and court employees, would 
have every reason to fear for their safety. The enormous 
resources needed to protect potentially hundreds if not 
thousands of these terrorists would strain an overloaded justice 
system. The government would be required to reveal secret 
intelligence information and techniques in open court, and our 
courtrooms would most likely be turned into forums for 
propagandizing and encouraging further terrorist acts. 

Speaking of civil courts, FDR, you may recall, attempted 
unsuccessfully to "pack" the Supreme Court with like-minded 
justices in 1937, after the nation's highest civil court held 
much of his New Deal agenda unconstitutional. Leahy, as chairman 
of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has succeeded in some packing 
of his own -- filling the federal judiciary with left-of-center 
judges. By blocking confirmation of scores of Bush's nominees, 
he has ensured that an ever larger percentage of legal disputes 
come before judges who share his party's judicial philosophy. 
Today, nearly half of all active federal judges were appointed 
by Bill Clinton. There are more than 100 federal judicial 
vacancies, 38 of which have been classified as "emergencies" by 
the U.S. Judicial Conference. Only about one in four of Bush's 
nominees has been given a hearing and a vote. Four of 12 seats 
remain vacant on the D.C. Court of Appeals, which will have 
primary jurisdiction over legal challenges to the anti-terrorism 
bill recently passed by Congress.

So much for trying all those al Qaeda terrorists in our civil 
courts. Leahy has not only accomplished what FDR could not -- 
politicization of the federal judiciary -- he has ensured the 
administrative necessity of military commissions. 

Maybe those liberal historians will be asked one day to rate 
Leahy's service as a U.S. senator. I expect he'll rank among the 
greatest.

Copy and paste......thats really good! You really don't have any 
original thoughts do you? 

Nope ...... digging around in a cave in UTAH with this dude 
named Smith ... found some Golden Glasses and Tablets, it all 
became abundantly clear ...... minor memory recall.  Then some 
angels took me to Salt Lake City......

Admit it,it was Hells Angels wasn't it?

Yeah ... about as original as "your momma so fat ........"

Wal-terd infantile felch.

Nope cornhole - Charlies Angels - but at least youve sort of 
gotten off the penis fixation - good boy.

It's been fun,but we'll have to get to grandma's and other 
relatives tomorrow.I'm going to bed.(yeah yuk,yuk,with my nephew)

I see I spoke too soon.

Slurp well.

Yeah...you too.

discuss your family lineage ..... but what can we say about 
about a bunch of farm animals [goats, camels, donkeys et 
al....], that hasnt already been said?

..... Scotland Yard has located the "missus".  Looks like she's 
gone missing in Pakistan .......

http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-47/methaus.htm

"Pakistan's sex trade draws in "British housewives"
By Mark Kukis UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

Rawalpindi, PAKISTAN   Laila, a 40-year-old Afghan refugee, said 
her oldest son Haroon "knows everything" about her work as a 
prostitute. Fourteen-year-old Haroon knows that his mother goes 
to men's houses or hotels to have sex for money as often as 
seven times a week. Sometimes, she's gone all night; other 
times, she goes out for only a short while for what she 
calls "one shot."

Wal-terd Burgler .... You may want to reconsider your travel 
plans to Cairo. And GB/IK Vomit Emissions - looks like we found 
out your San Francisco Employer ...........  So cute .. you and 
Wal-terd are buddies......
-------------------------------------------------------

More gays arrested in Cairo; Vice squad sweeps capital 
for 'perverse' activities
By Tariq Hassan-Gordon Middle East Times staff

As international journalists, human rights activists and foreign 
diplomats focused on the verdicts of the 52 alleged gay men on 
November 14, four men were arrested on similar charges in the 
Boulak district of Cairo, on November 10.

On November 16 Al Akbar and Al Gumhurriya, two leading Egyptian 
government newspapers, reported that four men were arrested for 
turning their apartment into a "den of perversion."

The Central Vice Squad in Giza confirmed the arrests and said 
that the men were being detained at the Boulak Police Station. 
The men were ordered to remain in detention until December 30 by 
the Public Prosecutor's office. None of the four have yet to be 
charged.

Scott Long, a representative with the International Gay and 
Lesbian Human Rights Commission based in San Francisco, spoke 
with one of the defendants through the bars of a police vehicle. 
Long has been in Cairo monitoring the Queen Boat trial (see that 
story).

U should be happy Uncle Sam is in total control of the Afghan 
situation ..... GW is just protecting you from yourselves.  We 
all know what happened to you Brits the last time you were 
engaged in Afghanistan. We dont need to see a repeat performance.

I did however find it rather odd that the Northern Alliance 
would rather have Russian troops on their soil than British, and 
they pitched a fit when your boys showed up.

I dont understand why they have to take these fuckers 
prisoners.  Case in point:  now some of those taliban prisoners 
had concealed weapons and wound up killing a few people.  WHY 
NOT KILL THESE COCKSUCKERS ON SITE?  Why keep them alive?  WTF?

taliban the bigshit motherfucker ass sucker!

The Northern Alliance is getting sucked into the euro media's 
trap of trying to LOOK like they are not barbarians .... and in 
doing so, they have neglected to do what should be done [what 
the Towel e go bam want and deserve] ..... so they the NA 
outwardly appear to be civilized. 


More Euro panzy appeasements ........

"I was in San Fran a few months back and your wages are nothing 
to be proud of. "

Would you be referring to what the Americna pimp was willing to 
compensate "your missus" or your wages?

If the latter, html page design is no longer en vogue doofus - 
we get high school kids to handle that trivial task - sorry you 
didnt get the memo. Dont go ranting on and on about your "IT  
coding" prowess ...... just because your skill set got nullified 
by the scourge that is FrontPage!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!

http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/index_wide.cfm?
page=Emerging%20Market&story_id=874861

Adult illiteracy

Nov 24th 2001 
From The Economist print edition



Over half those over the age of 15 in Pakistan cannot, with 
understanding, read and write a short, simple statement about 
their everyday life. That is the World Bank's definition of 
adult illiteracy. The highest illiteracy rates are in Africa. 
But higher income does not guarantee higher literacy. In Egypt, 
more than 40% of adults cannot read. In Ecuador, with a similar 
income per head, the illiteracy rate is only 9%.

http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?
story_id=874701&CFID=1572947&CFTOKEN=1515405-df9f030d-5689-42c2-
af9a-0d4825203602

What a Cluster Fuck .......... No wonder we gotta run around all 
over the place bailing you pacifists out all over the world.

"The problem is both about spending and about the forces' 
structure. The EU, although it has 375m people compared with 
America's 280m, spends only about 57% of what America does on 
defence. What is more, it does not get value for money. Its 
members too often duplicate each other's work. Many European 
armies are long on undeployable conscripts and short on crack 
troops. NATO reckons the Europeans have only a tenth of the 
readily deployable forces available to the Americans."

So the Europeans have drawn up a wish-list. There is no plan for 
a standing Euro-army. The idea is just that the Union's 15 
members should each promise men and weapons that could be used 
as part of an EU-flagged operation. Some time ago, 144 specific 
military needs were identified. This week came pledges of things 
like armoured infantry, electronic-warfare capabilities and 
multiple-launch rocket systems. But around 40 of the items on 
that shopping list have yet to be met, including vital ones like 
the ability to  suppress enemy air defences  and the provision 
of heavy-lift aircraft. The row within Europe about the 
financing and building of a new military transport aircraft, the 
A400M, has once again cast doubt on Europe's ability to get its 
military act together.

Arafat is a terrorist.

Monday morning, a detachment from the U.S. 10th 
Mountain Division
                                 arrived from Uzbekistan. Perhaps 
in order to 
                                 prepare the way for an assault
                             by the 10th Mountain, the Americans 
inside the fort 
                                     called in an air strike
                             to pound the Taliban position 
shortly before 11a.m. 
                                          with disastrous
                              results. Perry reports that a 
massive bomb, later 
                                  identified by officials as a
                              U.S. JDAM smart bomb, missed the 
Taliban position 
                                       by around 600 feet,
                                 detonating barely 30 feet from 
the Northern 
                                 alliance position and almost on
                              top of the spotters who had called 
in the strike. 

                             The bomb blasted dust and debris 
hundreds of meters 
                                        into the air and
                                created a hole in the fort's 
60-feet high dirt 
                                 walls "big enough to drive two
                              or three tanks through," says 
Perry, who witnessed 
                                         the attack. The
                               explosion flipped over a Northern 
Alliance tank, 
                                    trapping the two soldiers
                                inside, and buried the Americans 
under rubble.


                  ELITE AMERICAN 
FORCES.........Bwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!

We have all those freakin bombs eh Sandy ... else the Northern 
Alliance and the Towel e go bam's would all still be sitting 
around yanking their camels off, stoneing women, and sodomizing 
the effeminent Males like GB Vomit emissions and Wal-terd the 
6th grade spelling bee champion.  Guess Id be a little testy too 
if worked my life away on the Speak and Spell toy from Hasbro as 
did Wal-terd Burgler.

I came to this board by chance.  I was searching for info on 
                 Afghanistan and the Taliban to enlighten myself 
further.  This 
                 URL was pretending to be something it clearly 
isn't.  I stayed 
                   to read the posts and was disturbed to find 
how some here 
                abusively attacked some very reasonable poster 
from the UK.  He 
                   wrote condolences for the WTC attacks but also 
tried very 
                politely to offer his opinion on how he saw the 
world seeing the 
                only remaining superpower.  The snake-eyes, spy 
and others just 
                attacked his views and came out with the most 
dire responses not 
                   befitting of a civilised nation. He left and 
never posted 
                 again.  So I decided to give my views and to use 
antagnoistic 
                language where necessary to show that we can all 
do the same to 
                each other.  My points did hit home very hard and 
the responses 
                     I got were not surprising so I gave more 
opinions with 
                 references and urls to back them up.  The 
threats and attacks 
                that were returned just made me laugh and so 
after showing this 
                 stuff to other friends/collegues, I occasionally 
came back to 
                 stir the cauldron.  However, despite the stupid 
responses and 
                denials, I honestly believe that most people here 
have realised 
                there is much truth in my posts and they have 
opened their eyes 
                                           a bit more.

                My posts here last week were insulting to some 
and also did not 
                 really bother to strike up any real conversation 
with anyone.  
                 That was for my own benefit and a result of not 
receiving any 
                worthwhile replies to the serious posts I 
submitted a few weeks 
                 back.   Some have questioned why I seem to cause 
friction here 
                and have asked for my real thoughts (yes Noah - 
though you have 
                been childish - I did read your post) and so I'll 
write them out 
                                            below.  

                  I cannot tolerate ignorance and some people 
here have shown 
                  ignorance on a humongous scale. To top it all, 
they have not 
                bothered to take on board the real sentiments of 
the rest of the 
                  world.  So many people died on Sept 11th and 
many more after 
                 that in Afghanistan.  It is a real insult to the 
deceased that 
                  these events have shown Americans that all is 
not well with 
                 their actions/image around the world.  But still 
a minority of 
                  ultra-nationalist Americans refuse to try to 
understand the 
                   impact of world events.  America has been 
accused of being 
                 insular by Americans themselves (let alone by 
many around the 
                 world) and yet some are pressing on in denial.  
Why is that?  
                   What is there in the American psyche that 
makes so many so 
                    insecure?  Is it the education system?  It 
can't be.  At 
                  university, I studied with American exchange 
students and we 
                  socialised often. Some became good friends and 
we've kept in 
                  touch thus now knowing each other for more than 
ten years.  
                 These people, after meeting us Europeans, have 
the ability to 
                     recognise the world and the diversity of the 
people it 
                accomodates.  They too realise that variety is 
good, colourful, 
                  exciting and to be cherished rather than 
drowned out in the 
                  large booming rantings of the "American Way".  
They also saw 
                 that many cultures within this variety have 
stood the greater 
                tests of time (centuries and millenia) and thus 
will not falter 
                  when challenged.  It is therefore futile to 
keep banging the 
                 drum of CNN around the world to impose the 
impression that the 
                US of A is the fair reporter of world events.  
Even then we all 
                saw through the pro-American-tinted filters put 
on the cameras.  
                The rest of the world is tired of seeing 
egotistical wailings of 
                 Hollywood proclaiming the US to be the saviour 
of all helpless 
                   humanity in subtle propaganda films such as 
Sudden Impact, 
                Meteoroid and Independance Day.  Tongue-in-cheek 
like "The Fifth 
                Element" maybe entertaining but still reflective 
of an industry 
                 full of adolescent testosterone in that it has 
to use English 
                 stereotypes for the bad/evil guys.  Why is that? 
Is it due to 
                some kind of deep-rooted inferiority complex that 
gives rise to 
                  the need to dirty everyone else's cultures just 
to create a 
                 favourable comparison with the US? Why is this 
need so great?  
                Why don't we do it here? Well, we English have a 
reputation for 
                being able to make fun of ourselves in our 
comedies and we don't 
                need to tread on others to feel good. Simple 
reason is that we a 
                   a mature country with a rich track record 
reflected in our 
                history of having conquered our challenges and 
respected so many 
                 others.  As pioneers in acquiring foreign 
shores, we did make 
                   mistakes of imposing our way of life on others 
but we soon 
                learned that was not the way.  Why can't you 
learn?  Is respect 
                        for others really that complex a concept 
to you?

                    Here's some stuff for you to follow up if you 
think I'm 
                                           lying......

                Our Newspaper Daily Express: Bush has final say 
on secret trials 

                ...Mr Bush is under fire from civil liberties 
groups for signing 
                                              a law
                 allowing foreign terrorist suspects to go on 
trial in front of 
                                            military
                judges without seeing the evidence against them. 
The tribunals, 
                                              which
                would have the power to order executions, were 
last used in the 
                                             Second
                World War to prosecute Nazi infiltrators and 
could take place in
                complete secrecy...No such trial is known to have 
taken place but
                  because of the strict secrecy they will operate 
under it is 
                                            possible
                 that terror suspects could already have been 
executed without 
                                             anyone
                                            knowing.
                
http://www.express.co.uk/story2.html?story=3&r=308909923112168759



                                          Noam Chomsky
                             'The US is an indicted terrorist 
state'
                                 http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?
                      
click_id=3&art_id=ct20011111190122948U232530&set_id=1
                                   November 11 2001 at 07:01PM
                                                 
                 Madras, India - The bombing of Afghanistan was a 
greater crime 
                 than the September 11 US terror attacks, noted 
American social 
                   critic and philosopher Noam Chomsky told a 
seminar here on 
                                            Sunday. 

                    He said the Western approach to the Afghan 
conflict was 
                            both "shortsighted" and 
"catastrophic". 

                  "The United States is an indicted terrorist 
state," Chomsky 
                said. It had committed several acts of aggression 
against other 
                nations and frequently violated all canons of 
international law. 
                   He said it had no moral right to be a critic 
of terrorism, 
                               having committed the same crimes. 

                     "The US has trained groups of terrorists to 
overthrow 
                   governments found to be inconvenient to its 
interests and 
                       replace them with its own lackeys," 
Chomsky said. 

                'Globalisation is a conspiracy of the Western 
elite to establish 
                              private tyrannies across the world' 
                 He added that the US did not bother to get the 
sanction of the 
                UN Security Council for its war on Afghanistan. 
"Despite knowing 
                   it was easily obtainable, it did not get the 
sanction only 
                 because it did not want to acknowledge such a 
need and thereby 
                       compromise on its own right to act 
unilaterally." 

                 He added that globalisation, "as passionately 
promoted" by the 
                 Western world, only led to a further divide 
between the haves 
                                         and have-nots. 

                "Globalisation is a conspiracy of the Western 
elite to establish 
                       private tyrannies across the world," said 
Chomsky. 

                     The globalisation process invariably 
benefited a small 
                    community, even within a prosperous nation 
like the US. 

                "The argument that globalisation will promote 
prosperity is only 
                                     a myth," said Chomsky. 

                "In the backdrop of such pressures being exerted 
on the rest of 
                 the world by affluent Western powers, the future 
of the masses 
                 can only be guaranteed by popular movements 
championing human 
                               rights and environmental issues." 

                  He said "US hegemony" had increased with the 
collapse of the 
                      Soviet Union and the emergence of a 
unipolar world. 

                "During the existence of the Soviet Union, the 
rest of the world 
                had some manoeuvring space between the two 
superpowers, and the 
                            Non-Aligned Movement gathered 
strength. 

                "Also, the victims of one superpower managed to 
get support from 
                                          the other." 

                Saying the US was not a democracy, Chomsky said 
it was dominated 
                   by the rich, who indoctrinated society with "a 
consumerist 
                                           culture". 

                      Chomsky is one of America's most prominent 
political 
                                     dissidents. - Sapa-AFP

                        If you want more then I'll post some more 
later.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban's former ambassador to 
Pakistan, also said Osama bin Laden is not in Taliban-controlled 
territory and that his whereabouts are unknown. 

He spoke to the Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (AIP) and 
confirmed his quotes to CNN. 

Zaeef's comments came a day after U.S. Defense Secretary Donald 
Rumsfeld said U.S. warplanes had launched an air attack on a 
leadership compound southeast of Kandahar, the Taliban's last 
stronghold in Afghanistan, striking "two known Taliban 
facilities." 

Pentagon sources said the strikes were ordered shortly after the 
United States received intelligence information that Omar was 
inside one of the buildings. 

The extent of casualties was not immediately known, and one U.S. 
official said it could be a day or two until the full extent of 
damage is known. 

"It was neither a Taliban nor al Qaeda center," Zaeef said. He 
added that neither Omar "nor any other Taliban official" was 
there. 

"Mullah Mohammed Omar ... is safe and sound," he said. 

PRAISE ALLAH

The Central Intelligence Agency confirmed to CNN on Wednesday 
that one of its officers was killed in the Taliban prisoner riot 
in Mazar-e Sharif 


PRAISE BE TO ALLAH

Hey Justice,
I've been thinking about your post last night.  You know, I just 
can't buy that it's some whacked out American slob.  I know we 
have some sick folks here...reference Walter...but, there are 
too many coincidences that tie those letters to the terrorists.

For instance...

The first place it showed up was an office in Deerfield Beach, 
Fl. just a few miles from where Mohammed Atta took flying 
lessons, and only about 30-40 minutes from where he was reported 
to have inquired about renting a crop duster.

We know he had a meeting last year with a high ranking Iraqi 
official...and the anthrax in Daschle's office was treated with 
a chemical process known by only 3 countries...ours, Russia, and 
Iraq.

I don't really believe that it would be possible for some normal 
American Freak (yes, we have some...right, Walter?) to have 
gotten his hands on the treated anthrax.

MAZAR-E SHARIF, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Red Cross workers faced a 
grim task Wednesday recovering the bodies of hundreds of Taliban 
fighters inside a mud-brick walled fortress where they died in a 
bloody revolt against their Northern Alliance captors. 

The rebellion near here ended Tuesday when a Northern Alliance 
tank repeatedly hit a building in the compound where the Taliban 
fighters used a basement location to fire on alliance forces. 
The building crumbled, crushing the Taliban beneath it. 

But Red Cross officials said a small pocket of Taliban fighters 
remained alive beneath the rubble -- and posed a threat to the 
safety of the recovery workers should they detonate explosives 
as the workers drew near their location. 

Outside, hundreds of bodies and body parts littered the fortress 
compound's main courtyard, where much of the three-day battle 
took place. The Red Cross said it would collect the bodies, 
identify them when possible, and bury them in a mass grave 
outside the compound. 

About 300 Taliban fighters from Konduz launched the rebellion 
Sunday when they smuggled weapons and explosives into the 
compound, which alliance forces used as a prison to hold 
surrendering fighters. Some launched suicide attacks, detonating 
hand grenades strapped across their bodies, killing themselves 
and anyone nearby. 

Aided by U.S. airstrikes, Northern Alliance troops battling the 
rebellion gradually cut the numbers of the Taliban fighters 
until about 40 remained in the building that was finally 
destroyed Tuesday. 

Northern Alliance Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum -- who used the 
fortress as a headquarters but was not on the site when the 
revolt began -- toured the site Wednesday, saying the revolt had 
been a well-planned plot to kill him and other alliance leaders. 

But a top Taliban leader who had been negotiating with Dostum 
for the surrender of Konduz said the rebellious prisoners were 
mostly non-Afghan fighters who acted on their own. 

Dostum also said the rebellion likely began because some of the 
prisoners were not fully searched on the first day, allowing 
them to smuggle weaponry into the compound. 

Northern Alliance forces said Monday they lost between 100 and 
150 fighters. Five U.S. servicemen were injured when an American 
jet bombed a U.S. location by mistake. The wounded troops, who 
were initially taken to Uzbekistan for treatment, have now been 
airlifted to a U.S. military hospital in Germany, the Pentagon 
said. 

Praise be the U.S.A

It is [IMHO] an american, some right wing extremists might 
argue, one with borderline good taste.  The fact 
that "democrats" are getting the junk is the first clue.  I 
doubt a terrorist would go after anything but Republican War 
Mongerz.

Pure Poetry .... Eagle's condensed version - all you really need 
to know..................


--------------------------------------------------------------
"The rebellion near here ended Tuesday when a Northern Alliance 
tank repeatedly hit a building in the compound where the Taliban 
fighters used a basement location to fire on alliance forces. 
The building crumbled, crushing the Taliban beneath it."

"Outside, hundreds of bodies and body parts littered the 
fortress 
compound's main courtyard, where much of the three-day battle 
took place. The Red Cross said it would collect the bodies, 
identify them when possible, and bury them in a mass grave 
outside the compound."

I agree with your theory, but honestly who knows where is it 
coming from right now.  They say that is might have originated 
out of an Idaho (Illinois?) lab.  Personally I think it is just 
some psycho scientist that found the perfect opportunity to 
unleash terror on everyone and blame it on someone else but like 
I said you could be just as right with your theory.

I'm sure his "seminar" was a capitalist venture and protected here 
instead of some neanderthal government like the Taliban was 
running. don't be pissed and fooled into self-pity by his babble 
because you haven't gone out and grabbed your serving of American 
Pie. we're not perfect, but we have the best thing going so far, 
compared to 99% of the world.

Chomsky, a socialist dweeb to much of a politically correct 
pussy to call herself such.

"America - indicted terrorist govt" ... buwahahahahahaha

Your constant battle of insults has had me laughing here.

Hey Noah, cool off bwah.  I mean you no harm.  I just wanted to 
let you know why I'm hostile to these dim-wits.  The constant 
self-adoration on these boards is too much an over the top.

I must admit I did spend rather too long putting my last few 
posts up but I'm surprised that so many ninnies have hung 
themselves on each and every word I posted. If you think I'm 
flattering myself then you might be right.  This self-
righteousness seems to be rubbing off on to me from this board.  
Many Americans are usually okay.  Do those types not contribute 
to this board then?  Why does this board attract just the more 
extreme elements of right-wing American society.  I can imagine 
most of them sitting around in white conical head masks with two 
holes cut out for the eyes.

Walter - I don't expect you to agree with everything I write and 
I'm jsut glad that you can see through my critisms and see the 
funny side of what I'm here for.  You don't follow the rest of 
the lemmings off a cliff and so you should be just fine.  I 
reckon that if you amnd I left this board then half these 
nutters would end up either flaming each other or getting bored.

Eagle - I know your country sends people into space (although 
some get blown up b4 leaving the earth's atmosphere) but you 
really must come back onto this planet.  Chomsky seems to be a 
real hangup for you.  Why?  Is it because you can't live with 
the truth in Chomsky's words?  Don't bother answering that 'cos 
you'll only be slapping yourself on the back again.  It's called 
political masturbation - and you've proven yourself to be the 
biggest wanker here.  Apart from Spy who's gone all quiet trying 
to jerk himself off in some dark corner where his mummy can't 
find him.

Toodle dear trans-atlantic cousins.

"As pioneers in acquiring foreign 
shores, we did make 
                   mistakes of imposing our way of life on others 
but we soon 
                learned that was not the way."

What is soon? 300 years? maybe 100 years? Guess we've 
still got time on the clock then.

I'm still curious how old you are. I find it hard to believe you 
have a wife and three kids. I guess I'll have to take your word 
for it though. 

EagleEye - Tired fingers yet? I had a lot of reading to do. It's 
kind of fun to watch you and Walter in a war of words. You 
both have more in common that you'd probably like to admit. 
I don't like Walter's philosophy of attacking people for 
disagreeing with him or finding him offensive. He's pulling 
you down to his level though. The post about the dead 
bodies all over the place (even if they are Taliban) was 
morbid as sin. 

Walter - You've put in some good posts, but the battle is 
quite even at this point. In my opinion, Eagle has you beat in 
comedy, but discounting each other's intelligence does 
nothing for either of you. Ever heard the phrase "do unto 
others as you'd have them do unto you?". "If they don't attack 
me, I won't attack them," is not the way it should have to be. 
I'm just an idealist Christian though, what do I know right?

Oh well, Walter and Eagle had the mosts posts last night, 
so I had to respond to that. Wonder when everyone else'll 
get back. I'm just bidin my time - nothin to do on a 
wednesday night. I think I'll build a giant solenoid. 

Ggggive me shock treatment and a drink of lemonade and 
I'm a happy camper.

==========================
26 November 2001

"ACCUSATIONS FLY ON BIN LADEN WHEREABOUTS." 
Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman Aziz Ahmad Khan 
rejected a 16 November report by Tehran radio that Osama 
Bin Laden and some of his cohorts fled to Pakistan. Aziz 
said, according to Islamabad radio, that "the report is totally 
baseless and devoid of any truth," and he added that 
security on Pakistan's border has been tightened and 
nobody is being allowed to enter Pakistan without prior 
permission. Two days later, "Pakistan," a daily from 
Islamabad, reported that Bin Laden and a big convoy of his 
associates were spotted near the Afghanistan-Iran border. 
Refugees were the main source, and the daily conceded 
that the reports could not be confirmed independently. Also 
on 18 November, "Jang" from Rawalpindi reported the 
possibility that Bin Laden was on the way to Chechnya, in 
the company of a "big group of Chechen fighters." 400 Arabs 
are on their way to Zahedan disguised as Islamic 
missionaries, according to "Jang." 

Islamabad's strict border security measures may reflect 
concern that the retreating fighters would try to establish 
bases in the mountainous border region or Al-Qaeda would 
try to operate from Pakistani cities. Moreover, the arriving 
Taliban could build on the radicalization of Pakistan's 
Islamic parties. Mohammad Fateh of the Tanzim-i-Islami 
told RFE/RL that until President Pervez Musharraf began to 
cooperate with the U.S., these parties were willing to work 
within the system. Ikram Ahmed, a newspaper editor from 
Quetta, takes a different view. He told RFE/RL that the 
Taliban's defeat would weaken the resolve of like-minded 
Pakistani groups. Ahmed went on to say that the Pakistani 
government's view towards these radical groups has 
changed, and "Without the support of the establishment, or 
without support from the outside, they cannot survive." 

Nevertheless, Pakistani intelligence (Inter-Service 
Intelligence, ISI) officials claim that 3,000 or more Taliban 
and Al-Qaeda personnel have entered Pakistan since the 
fall of Kabul, according to reports in the 20 November 
"Chicago Tribune" and the 15 November "New York Times." 
Western diplomats warned "he New York Times" that this 
could be ISI disinformation about the potential destabilizing 
effect of a Northern Alliance takeover of Afghanistan. 

The foreign fighters in Afghanistan -- Arabs, Chechens, 
Pakistanis, Filipinos, and Uighurs -- certainly have a reason 
to run, because they are unlikely to receive any mercy from 
the Northern Alliance. Some 520 mostly-Pakistani Taliban 
fighters in Mazar-i-Sharif were shot and crushed by Northern 
Alliance tanks when they refused to surrender. In other 
cases, the foreign Taliban have committed suicide rather 
than surrendering. Some of the foreigners who have been 
captured remain committed to fighting: Saleh Jan, a 
Pakistani, said in the 15 November "Independent" that, "If 
they release me, I will go and kill the Northern Alliance and 
Americans again." 

Afghan Taliban are more likely either to surrender, defect, or 
just walk away from the fighting and go back to their villages. 
Asked on 19 November about reports that 100 Taliban were 
executed by their more extreme comrades or by Al-Qaeda 
because they had considered defecting, U.S. Secretary of 
Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, "I have seen reports that 
people have been found with bullets in their heads and not 
in the fronts [of their heads]." 

Washington is very reluctant to see the foreign fighters just 
walk out of Afghanistan. Rumsfeld said on 20 November: "It 
would be most unfortunate if the foreigners in Afghanistan, 
the Al-Qaeda and the Chechens and others who have been 
there working with the Taliban, if those folks were set free 
and in any way allowed to go to another country and cause 
the same kinds of terrorist acts; it would be most 
unfortunate." 

The U.S. is searching hard for bin Laden and the Taliban 
leadership, who may be cowering in a cave or tunnel 
complex in the mountains near Jalalabad or near Kandahar. 
An anonymous U.S. Special Forces officer said that when 
there is sufficient intelligence a four to six-man team could 
assault such a facility successfully, while in more complex 
cases a Ranger battalion would be required, "The 
Washington Post" reported on 20 November. Unnamed 
Pentagon officials said that Washington might send up to 
1,500 Marines to assist in the search, "The Wall Street 
Journal" reported on 21 November. 

Another (presumably) anonymous Pentagon official, on the 
other hand, said that there is no reason to risk American 
lives in a deadly confrontation, "The Los Angeles Times" 
reported on 20 November, when Northern Alliance 
personnel are keen to do the job. There are other options, 
such as bunker-buster bombs, cruise missiles, or 
explosives that take the oxygen out of the atmosphere. Cave 
activity can be tracked with thermal-imaging cameras or 
devices that can identify a human's carbon dioxide 
emissions. 

Bounty hunters may play a part, too, because Washington 
has offered a $25 million reward for the capture of bin 
Laden and other Al-Qaeda leaders. Commando Solo, an 
EC-130 from the 193rd Special Operations Wing of the 
Pennsylvania Air National Guard that has been flying the 
Afghan skies, began broadcasting messages about this 
reward on 18 November. Leaflets dropped from planes 
carry the same message. 

Iran's "Siyasat-i Ruz" newspaper on 20 November conceded 
that locating bin Laden would not be easy, but "finding this 
self-made monster -- whose escape from the CIA's 
laboratories is rather like a scene out of a science fiction 
movie -- has become vitally important to the American ruling 
establishment." The daily urged Iranian authorities to keep 
Al-Qaeda personnel out of the country. If bin Laden comes 
to Iran, Tehran would have to turn him over to international 
authorities, which would "undermine the credibility of the 
Islamic Republic in the eyes of Muslim nations." Refusal to 
do so would cause difficulties for Iran in the international 
arena. (Bill Samii)

"AFGHAN TV ON AIR WITH IRANIAN HELP. "Let me also tell 
you, dear listeners, that Kabul television began work on 
Saturday evening [17 November] with the cooperation of the 
engineers sent to Kabul by the Voice and Vision of the 
Islamic Republic of Iran," Iranian state radio announced on 
17 November. Kabul television went on the air with female 
newsreaders who were wearing headscarves. Afghans are 
buying satellite dishes openly, too. "We want to see the 
world's television," Shahgholam Hairat said in the 23 
November "Christian Science Monitor." (Bill Samii)"

Source:IranReport


==================================

I understand your point that America has been very prideful 
these past couple months, but it's our way of coping with 
loss (I guess that and blowing stuff up). It's hard to go from 
feeling invincible to being attacked in your own home. It's got 
some people mad, some people sad, and some people 
crazy. It's making some defensive (and rightly so!) and 
some offensive (we're people after all). I think you lost me in 
the use of language when you were trying to say what you 
meant. Your most recent post made much more sense 
though. It still cracks me up how often movies come up 
(don't get me wrong, they're great for analogies and 
examples). I've seen a lot of movies too, so I'm not saying 
there's anything wrong with it, but it's hilarious! 

Now is not the time to insult a nation in mourning, I think. I 
would not appreciate it if an American were to make fun of 
the British if someone had bombed Trafalgar Square, or 
insulted the French If someone blew up L'arc de triomphe. 
It's just not right. I understand that it's not quite as close to 
you as it is to us, but that doesn't erase the fact that more 
than 5000 people lost their lives while living free. 

While it is a terrible thing that people are dying in a war, the 
more important thing is outcome. Because of this, women 
will be allowed to live as members of Afghan society, and 
governments will be much less likely to condone or support 
those who perpetrate acts of terrorism. Personally I think 
"war on terror" is a stupid thing to call it. Terror can be 
brought about by many things besides violent human 
beings. That's why I think it is a war on terrorists. 

I very much appreciated your response. I was going a little 
nuts last night because I was tired, but the work week 
makes me insane. There aren't enough hours in the day.

Anyhow, if I attack viciously, forgive me - it is not my intention. 
I am very irritable sometimes. Besides, this board has 
enough attackers. I

Heyyyyyyyyyy!Maybe thats what's wrong with your friend,Snake 
Eyes.Did you send her a letter with powder in it?

Dearest U.K.V.,
I can't help but be appalled by YOUR arrogance.  The fact that 
you'd come here, to a board peopled primarily by Americans and 
Allies who were horrified by the reality of September 11th...oh, 
did you think it was just a movie?  Well, sorry Bud...real 
people died that day.  About 6000 of them...mostly 
Americans...and mostly people quietly going about their day to 
day lives in this country trying to earn a living to feed, 
clothe, and educate their children.  When I watched the towers 
collapse on TV, I could hear the wails of the souls being ripped 
from all they loved in this world.  I guess we are lucky that it 
was ONLY 6000.  Two or three hours later, and it could have been 
20,000 without much of a stretch.

And, since that day, we've had idiots like you who want to pop 
in and tell us how it's all our fault that our innocent citizens 
got murdered in such a horrific way.  Now, THAT'S arrogance.  If 
your sister wears a short skirt next week and gets raped in the 
park...you be sure to tell her how it's her fault, ok?  The 
thing that really pisses me off is how you think only YOU have 
access to the only news fit to read.  Crap!  And, the only news 
you think IS fit to read is that that slams the U.S.  Well, FUCK 
you!  In THIS country, we have freedom of speech, and idiots 
like your beloved Noam Chomsky can say anything they want to. 
And you know what?  They say CRAP that is designed to do nothing 
more than get themselves some attention...just because they have 
a right to do so.  That doesn't make their drivel correct...but, 
maybe you didn't realize that?  Or maybe you did...because that 
is EXACTLY what YOU do here.

The sad thing is that you are trying to convince yourself that 
you've changed some opinions here...educated some of us...opened 
our eyes.  ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY SWEET AMERICAN ASS 
OFF!  You've made ONE statement that I agree with...but, do you 
think I'd EVER tell YOU what?  HELL NO!  You want to knock 
America to me...you come here and live in MY country...you'll 
never go back.  Because, we have it MADE here!  And, if you find 
it arrogant of us to love our country and all it's 
opportunity...then maybe you need to join Walter on Meds.

And, all the garbage you've spewed about how WE are a terrorist 
nation because we are big enough to employ economic sanctions 
and defend countries like Kuwait is PISSING IN THE WIND.  We do 
99% of what we do at the behest of countries like YOURS that 
can't take care of themselves and need Big Brother America to 
enforce for you.  Why?  Because we ARE a successful nation.  
And, here let me pat you on the back because your sterling is up 
compared to our American Dollar...gee, I wonder why the rest of 
the world uses our Dollar as a comparison?  Hmmmmm?  Can YOU 
think of a reason?

*I hope the rest of you will forgive my vulgar language...I know 
you realize that I rarely use it...but, I was pushed this time.

You came on this board attacking and so that's how you will 
be dealt with.
I haven't bother responding to you anymore( up till now )
because I've said all that needs to be said.
Most of the people on this board think you're an idiot and I 
happen to be one of those people who think you're an idiot 
also.
So keep postin' your "Crapski" shit and I'll leave ya alone 
and skip right by ya.

" Why does this board attract just the more 
extreme elements of right-wing American society."

The other elements are either busy molesting children, in rehab 
or fund raising ..... or its because we right wingers can afford 
internet connectivity?  Not real sure ... you conclude your own.

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful:

" Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and 
Christians, and Sabians, who ever believes in Allah and the last 
day and do righteous good deeds, shall have their reward with 
their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.. "

Surat Al-Baqara, Verse no.62..

Peace..

"I can imagine 
most of them sitting around in white conical head masks with two 
holes cut out for the eyes."

I can imagine most of your leaders sitting around in silly black 
robes with powdered WHITE Wigs ..... fondling Gavels shaped as 
phallus for when the drivel gets too monontenous ...... 

Oh shit Im not Imagining it! Pompous silly insignificant foolz - 
the whole lot.

Now, THAT'S arrogance.  If 
                your sister wears a short skirt next week and 
gets raped in the 
                  park...you be sure to tell her how it's her 
fault, ok?  The 
                 thing that really pisses me off is how you think 
only YOU have 
                access to the only news fit to read.  Crap!  And, 
the only news 
                you think IS fit to read is that that slams the 
U.S.  Well, FUCK 
                  you!  In THIS country, we have freedom of 
speech, and idiots 
                 like your beloved Noam Chomsky can say anything 
they want to.___________________________________________

LOL!!!Look how MAD it is when it gets treated as it treats 
others! I always thought they calmed down after they were 
spayed,but maybe not.

"Eagle - I know your country sends people into space (although 
some get blown up b4 leaving the earth's atmosphere) but you 
really must come back onto this planet."  

I realize your country sends your ex-Princess' out to be 
serviced good and proper by Arab Playboys (although some dont 
make it back to the motel before the booz and Xtasy wear off), 
but I really think its time you got over it.  Dianna is gone, 
and you cant keep blaming George Bush for that too.


"Chomsky seems to be a real hangup for you.  Why?" 

No hang ups with that fool here ..... just that beyond your own 
self adulation, and your Freudian wanting of SAS gear in your 
rear, you seem to worship him, as evidenced by your every visit, 
boring us with another snippet of his drivel.

"Is it because you can't live with 
the truth in Chomsky's words?"  

My life is just fine with or without such nonsensical tripe.  I 
just laugh my ass off that the dumb bastard bilks all you ninnie 
euro's - he gets nill for an audience here.

"It's called political masturbation "

Correction - the above term is reserved to desrcibe something 
uniquely British - "Parliament". 

Enquiring minds still wanna know how much money your DADDY won 
off the farmer ............

yeah ... U know .....

"What is there in the American psyche that 
makes so many so insecure?  Is it the education system?  It 
can't be"...

Well nameless, it is not their psyche as you are guessing 
here, it is the lack of "western logic" as one might describe 
it.
And it  is not just an American thing, Europe is experiencing 
the same sort of "mass psychosis" as you would no doubt 
call it.
It is the sense that the very social and economical 
machinery of society they are investing their lives into is 
indeed very fragile, especially to Allah's secret warriors.

The Chomsky philosophies are interesting only  if  we 
reduce the billions western of individuals into some 
singular "forces", be they America, Europe or other.
This manner of approaching free individuals seems merely 
grotesque to us these days 
Much the same way most "bad guys"  like Stalin, Hitler 
etcetera seem grotesque to us days...
We may be living a certain model in the west, but apparently 
there's something to it... Hence the criticism. (And some or 
other "holy wars")
Most "old style" political and economical scientists  believe 
in the "guided" or controlled way, both in economical and 
political, some even in religious matters...
Much, again, like the "bad guys" mentioned above.
We believe in free markets and democracy, 
and the individual, his freedom of enterprise.
We think that when our lawmakers press ethics on us, 
our society , that should do the job nicely.
The only real difference is that  America was only involved in 
Word War Two from a distance. It never underwent the 
same level of discrimination and xenofobia as Europe did.
Therefore Europeans, most politicians and press are more 
discreet in these matters, even today.
But most westerners like themselves to be seen as 
individuals, not masses. 
We think what holds us together are not necessarely  wealth 
and our passports, but the feeling that we are there for each 
other, caring for each others' wellbeing, security , 
environment, health and sometimes even paying for that, 
too.

What happened with the terrorist attacks was of a level of 
injustice and executed in such a perverse manner that it 
goes beyond our every sense of ethics or even imagination.

So, it is not just America, here. 
A culture was attacked, a democracy to and most of all, the 
west...
This made not only America very angry but most Western 
individuals as well. Note: INDIVIDUALS.

Regardless of some Chomsky or other megalomanic 
political group therapists that discovers socialism at a later 
age: this was never done before, and it should never be 
done again, not in America or in any civilised country.

But as it looks today, America is well on it's way to destroy 
this evil.

and may God Bless Them... 



"Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban's former 
ambassador to Pakistan, also said Osama bin Laden is not 
in Taliban-controlled and that his whereabouts are 
unknown"

Radio Europe's comment: "Clown, be upon us"



"Zaeef's comments came a day after U.S. Defense 
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said U.S. warplanes had 
launched an air attack on a leadership compound 
southeast of Kandahar, the Taliban's last stronghold in 
Afghanistan, striking "two known Taliban facilities."  
"It was neither a Taliban nor al Qaeda center," Zaeef said. 
He added that neither Omar "nor any other Taliban official" 
was there. 
"Mullah Mohammed Omar ... is safe and sound," he said." 

PRAISE ALLAH,,,,

Radio Europe's comment: for these fuckers taking 
hundreds of innocents with them....


"My posts here last week were insulting to some 
and also did not really bother to strike up any real 
conversation with anyone"...

Radio Europe: no, thank you....



"That was for my own benefit and a result of not receiving 
any  worthwhile replies to the serious posts I submitted a 
few weeks back"...

From our (junior, junior...) correspondent in Freudian Affairs: 
"serious crank, there..." 

 "lose the intellectualist tone, drop Chomsky, grow a brain 
already"


For now, From Europe once more, this was Radio Europe

A contingent of extremist fighters fell upon 
Dolangi airfield before the newly arrived Marines had
                 time to settle down, those in the know say. The 
ensuing battle left no less than 16 marines
                 dead, although the attackers apparently had to 
withdraw leaving several fatalities behind.

The few,the proud,the dead.Left their friends to die.Brave 
Americans.

Source:P.B.C.
========================
KASHMIR:

In occupied Kashmir, twelve Indian troops including a major 
have been killed in a gun-battle with freedom fighters. Seven 
other troops were injured in clashes, which took place in a 
remote area of Hill Kaka in Tehsil Surankot. Eight 
Mujahideen martyred.
Kashmir Media Service says Indian government is planning 
to victimise further fifteen Kashmiris under POTO law.
Meanwhile, there are reports of stepped up State-terrorism 
in Rajouri, Poonch and Doda district.

=============================

I go to sleep early, work all day and all hell breaks loose on
this board. Yes Missin, I can spell addiction.
 EagleEye, kickin ass and takin names. Brother your the champ
in this format.
 Voices in your head, you all calmed down now or what bwah, all
about searching for news stories to back up your views. You get
a good connection on that excellent Afghan heroin flooding the
UK or what bitch.
 Walter, it turns out the less than human bonfire tossed his
backpack full of gasoline filled bottles, on fire, down to the
first level of the mall where the greatest concentration of
people where. So to sum it up, a 27 year old, backpack wearin,
tree huggin, nut case was, by definition, a terrorist. The best
laid plans go to hell again. Burn baby burn, its a disco inferno!
 TV should make have a terrorist bloopers show. Palistinian
terrorists constructing a bomb meant for Isreal cant figure
the wiring out and blow themselves to shit!!!! Maybe Voices of
nobody you could get the ball rolling on such a project being
the American movie buff you are.
 I am planning on quitting my job and letting my own family
starve to help the homless now. Have to go work on the logistics.

Walter,
Are you really poor?  If so, how can you manage to pay for 
Internet Service and a computer?  C'mon Walter...fess up, they 
have it in the playroom in that psyche ward you're in...call it 
rehabilitation, right?

If you're an American, the very fact that you AREN'T pissed off 
just shows what a sick individual you are...The few, the 
impotent, the freaks...YOU.

Your Words----->Is it due to 
some kind of deep-rooted inferiority complex that gives rise to 
the need to dirty everyone else's cultures just to create a 
favourable comparison with the US? Why is this need so great?  
Why don't we do it here? Well, we English have a reputation for 
being able to make fun of ourselves in our comedies and we don't 
need to tread on others to feel good.

I think it's pretty obvious which of us has the inferiority 
complex. 

And, if you want to make a statement...why don't you spend some 
time telling us what it is you think we SHOULD do as a result of 
the attacks on our innocent civilians, instead of wasting your 
time trying to figure out where we failed and brought this on 
ourselves.  Or, maybe that's more than you can handle...because 
then you'd have to have an opinion of your very own...not just a 
cut and paste!

Guess I got sucked right back in, didn't I?  Nearly time to head 
for the woods again!  Ditch the welfare route, Baby.  This is 
America, where we can choose what doctor we want to go to if we 
want to pay for the privilege...not some Socialist country where 
they hold you off to see if they can get you to die first cause 
it will be cheaper.

And, we can buy $125 bass reels for family members for Christmas!

The work ethic is fueled by capitalism and democracy...God Bless 
America!

"those in the know say. "  

Who might that be? Talib Radio ...... KOBL666?

Unlike yourself I have no problem clicking a "link" to read a 
whole story in its proper context.  Im not Arabic ... taking 
only the pieces of info that fit my needs for the moment and 
twisting them to desired outcome.

Being that the ME news site I looked at made no mention of this, 
nor the BBC, or Lycos or Yahoo or CNN - maybe you could grace us 
with your scoop source?

Many of Americas homeless hang out at their local library,
where they can hang out all day, and have unlimited internet
for the low, low price of zero. Now that Im quitting my job
to help the homeless and letting my own family starve, I have
to stick up for them. 
 Not really, but Im just pissed somebody stole my American flag
off my house today and our black lab was really pissed, Im sure
he gave the thieves a good shock but couldnt get to the fuckers. 
Good thing I have a backup flag.
 

WASHINGTON, Nov. 28    A month ago, the anti-war and the anti-
American elements of the left in the United States and in Europe 
were howling that war in Afghanistan was unjust because: The 
attacks of Sept. 11 were mere criminal acts, to be properly 
dealt with by the police and the courts; war would likely cause 
the deaths of millions of innocent Afghans through bombing and 
through a bombing-induced famine; war was unlikely to succeed 
against the never-say-die Taliban; and war would not buy America 
peace but only more war.

        SINCE THEN, what have we learned? We have learned that 
it would have been impossible to extract Osama bin Laden and al 
Qaida from Afghanistan without war. Some had presumed that the 
Taliban could hand over bin Laden and his lieutenants for 
extradition and trial. But al Qaida was integrated into a 
symbiotic relationship with the Taliban, with al Qaida the 
militarily and financially superior force. The Taliban could no 
more turn over al Qaida to justice than they could turn over 
themselves.
       
IMPORTED MERCENARIES   
 Despite what the critics said, the bombing did not result in 
the death of millions, but in the rescue of millions. Thanks to 
liberation, food is pouring into Afghanistan now, and the 
millions of refugees who fled the Taliban are beginning to 
return home. 

         We have learned conclusively that the Taliban were not 
the government of the Afghan people. They were a foreign tyranny 
imposed on the Afghan people. The power that came from the 
barrel of a gun in Afghanistan came ultimately from guns held 
not by Afghans, but by tens of thousands of foreign mercenaries 
imported by the Taliban and al Qaida. Destroying Afghanistan s 
occupiers did not mean killing innocent Afghans, but freeing 
them from fascist oppression.
       We have learned that bombing did not result in the death 
of millions, but in the rescue of millions. Thanks to 
liberation, food is pouring into Afghanistan now, and the 
millions of refugees who fled the Taliban are beginning to 
return home. 
       We have learned that the Taliban would rather switch than 
die. We have learned that al Qaida had constructed in 
Afghanistan a system for training, dispersing and financing 
thousands of anti-American terrorists now at large in the world. 
       In light of the refutation of almost every major 
criticism and alarm from the left, what have we heard from the 
peacemongers? Well, mostly, a determined silence. And where the 
silence is broken, it is to obfuscate.
       
A JUST WAR  
 

  
        James Carroll, a writer with a long pedigree as an anti-
warrior, argued in The Boston Globe on Tuesday that it remains 
the case that, as the headline put it,  This War Is Not Just.  
He makes three main points.
 
       The first point is that we (although not Carroll) are 
too  ignorant  to pronounce on this war:  The United States 
government has revealed very little of what has happened in the 
war zone. Journalists impeded by restricted access and blind 
patriotism have uncovered even less.  But a glance at the 
Globe s own news section on any given day proves this false. 
Afghanistan is swarming with reporters who are working 
independently and free of any U.S. restraints. These journalists 
have been, and are, reporting daily from every liberated area of 
Afghanistan and frequently from areas where fighting is ongoing. 
Seven, so far, have been killed on the job. 
       

The  massive bombardment  of Afghanistan, writes Carroll, has 
been  to what effect?  We just don t know, he suggests. Yes, we 
do. Again, reporters have filed stories on the bombing effects 
from all over Afghanistan, including almost every bombed city. 
Leaving aside the gross libel in the suggestion that American 
reporters   blind patriotism  has kept them from fully revealing 
the truth, what about the many foreign reporters covering the 
conflict? Has their blind love for America also led them to hide 
awful realities? 
 
The second point is that  the celebrated results  of the war  
  collapse of the Taliban, liberation of women   are welcome,  
but  are relatively peripheral outcomes, unrelated to the stated 
American war aim of defeating terrorism.  But this is also 
manifestly not true. The collapse of the Taliban is not 
a  peripheral outcome.  It is in fact one of the two  stated 
American war aims,  of the war in Afghanistan (the other is the 
collapse of the Taliban s partner, al Qaida, which is being 
effectively pursued). And, it would seem evident, the collapse 
of the government that provides state-sanctioned support for the 
world s largest and most dangerous terror network is indeed 
integral to  the stated American war aim of defeating terrorism. 
       The third point is the Old Original Canard that this all 
should have been handled by  police action, not war. The 
criminals, not an impoverished nation, should be on the 
receiving end of the punishment.  But the criminals   the 
murderous fascists of al Qaida and the Taliban are the ones 
being punished.  The impoverished nation  is comprised of the 
Afghan people, who have been for weeks thanking us for rescuing 
from the tyranny of the criminals.
       Carroll bemoans the criticism his camp has come in 
for.  Next, we will be called  kooks,    he writes. No, no, not 
at all.

Iran children reject U.S. flag stomp
TEHRAN

Iranian schoolchildren who failed to trample on the U.S. flag on 
November 4, the anniversary of the U.S. Embassy seizure in 
Tehran, were punished on November 19 by losing a mark 
for "discipline," a parent told AFP.

On November 4, school heads called on their pupils to 
participate in the 22-year tradition of marking the 1979 embassy 
seizure by Islamic radicals in Tehran by chanting anti-U.S. 
slogans and walking on the Stars and Stripes.

"But this year, because of the [September 11] attacks, some 
schoolchildren in Tehran refused to take part in this practice. 
Despite the insistence of heads, they remained silent," refusing 
to chant the traditional "Death to America," the parent said.

"At the time nothing happened, but they said they would 
introduce harsh sanctions. Today, on their school report, one 
mark was taken off for discipline," the mother said.

"Losing one mark out of 20 is not bad, we were expecting worse," 
a 13-year-old pupil said.

On 4 November 1979, between 300 and 400 radical Islamist 
students stormed the embassy compound by climbing over the 
walls, and seized the embassy.

After a brief resistance by U.S. Marine guards the students took 
52 American staff members hostage and held them for a total of 
444 days, leading to the end of diplomatic ties between the two 
countries in 1980.

This year's anniversary rally in Tehran was relatively muted, 
with most of the participants schoolchildren, aged from 10 
upwards, bussed in for the occasion.

And for the first time since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, 
numerous important student associations and movements boycotted 
the anti-U.S. demonstration, holding alternative gatherings to 
debate the Islamic regime's foreign policy.

Tehran was quick to condemn the terror strikes on New York and 
Washington, and since September 11 reformist political circles 
have been discussing a possible resumption of dialogue or even 
ties with the United States.

But such calls were swiftly shot down by supreme leader 
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and conservative judiciary head Ayatollah 
Hashemi Shahrudi, as well as moderate President Muhammad Khatami.

Hey Eagle-Eye, 
Help me out.  I thought war was declared too...when Article 5 
was invoked.  Is this correct?  Can you send me a link?  Another 
board I post on is debating this now.

Guys and gals, 

I though y'all would dig this stuff off the new Creed CD.  Tell 
me this doesn't have some relevance to current affairs?

The mouths of envious
Always find another door
While at the gates of paradise they 
beat us down some more
But our mission s set in stone
 Cause the writing s on the wall
I ll scream it from the mountain tops 
pride comes before a fall

So many thoughts to share
All this energy to give
Unlike those who hide the truth 
I tell it like it is
If the truth will set you free
I feel sorry for your soul
Can t you hear the ringing  cause 
for you the bell tolls

I m just a freedom fighter
No remorse
Raging on in holy war
Soon there ll come a day
When you re face to face with me
Face to face with me

Can t you hear us coming? 
People marching all around
Can t you see we re coming? 
Close your eyes it s over now
Can t you hear us coming? 
The fight has only just begun
Can t you see we re coming?

I m just a freedom fighter
No remorse
Raging on in holy war
Soon there ll come a day
When you re face to face with me
Face to face with me

I think this little passage from Creed nails the reason we are 
facing terrorist attacks:

Walking around I hear the earth seeking relief
I m trying to find a reason to live
But the mindless clutter my path
Oh these thorns in my side
I know I have something free
I have something so alive
I think they shoot  cause they want it...

I THINK THEY SHOOT CAUSE THEY WANT IT....

Hi again. Your sociopathy is showing again. Calling human 
beings "it" with the purpose of dehumanizing. In as much as 
you might understand this, I am not sure that you care. 
Perhaps in person you are decent enough - isn't that where 
it matters? On the internet you can pretend to kill people and 
it's all legal! Reality has a way of creeping up on you.

Are you verbalizing what you would like to happen to the 
military when you post your fanciful news? You got me with 
the first one, but I'm wondering what purpose this serves. 
You do like america right? Maybe a libertarian? Nothing 
wrong with that. Make an effort to care about people and life 
will be more abundant, I guarantee it.  

As for the ships at sea, they travel very slowly and the sailors 
know their time. The general knows they're winning so he 
keeps the plans coming. It's hot up there, and the rain 
makes things slippery. Wax melts at different temperatures 
because not all wax is the same. My head is splitting and 
threatens to expel oozing grey matter, what does it matter? 
Nobody knows, nobody dares. Why is the water so deep? 
Why don't I have gills too? Why do I ask so many 
meaningless questions? It's not late enough for this crap. 

Sorry my mind started going while writing to you, Walter. Are 
you crazy too? I'm crazy about cheese, but the cholesterol ya 
know...Here, have a fortune cookie.

SCHWOOOP! Time to see the heifers!

Hey Noah,
I worry about you, Hon.  What is it...can you tell me?

It's taking me forever to reload this board cause I'm 
downloading music at the same time....PLEASE tell me you have 
good news about your daughter!!!  Love you!

Sorry I missed quite a few days on this board.
I was in Norfolk VA, attending a huge welcome home party for 
around 5,000 wonderful men and women returning home on a very 
large aircraft  carrier..  they worked hard and did a great job, 
and recieved a wonderful welcome home from everyone here in the 
good ole US of A.

missin
good to see you back here and that your home and in good health!

its going to take me a week to find enough time to catch up on 
all I missed here!

but please keep breathing... i need you....
there are only a couple here whom I think should hold their 
breath til they turn blue, but your not one of them....
love ya too...

QUESTION OF THE WEEK:
WHAT IS A WALTER?

So far Eagle eye gets the "Best Guess of the Week award!"
keep up the good work 
signed   a fan! 

So, does he get to stay home now?  Or will he redeploy?  Still 
no word on whether or not my son-in-law will be going.

Would you really like to change the discussion around to your 
daughter?Are you sure?

LONDON, November 28: TV war reporter Lara Logan
                 told yesterday how she survived a rape plot by 
two Northern
                 Alliance soldiers. Lara, 30, who acknowledged 
that a sex
                 attack was "always a possibility" while working 
among
                 Afghanistan's brutal tribal factions, was saved 
by her loyal
                 Pakistani interpreter. 

                 She had interviewed the gun- carrying Alliance 
fighters and faced having to stay in the area
                 overnight because it would be unsafe to travel 
after dark. The pair tried to bribe translator
                 Mohammed Mohammadullah into delaying her 
departure and told him they planned to "have
                 their way" with her. 

 

if perhaps the Pakistani [likely Pashtu Muslim] didnt secretly 
want to be taken himself by the two brutes ... made up the whole 
story for a few U$D and face time.

With a guy named Mohammed ... right off the bat one must begin 
questioning all things, lest history repeats.

Im sure it comes in handy with your beleifs there Wal-terd 
breath  .. having a Muslim Pakistani translator in the family.

ENRON, the energy trading group, was on the brink of collapse
                       last night after Dynegy, its rival, 
aborted a proposed rescue. The
                       move left Wall Street braced for what is 
likely to be America s
                       biggest ever bankruptcy. Enron has annual 
revenues of $179
                       billion._________________________________

The main objective of terrorism is to destroy the enemy. 

I love you guys.  Don't listen to turd-head... y'all know the 
type.  Ignore it and it might go away, or at least go somewhere 
more interesting.  We can always give him an operation like the 
one EagleEye had... in our own "special" way, eh?

Snakey (heehee), I want you to know I've been thinking about you 
a LOT this week, every day, and I'll call you as soon as I can!  
Maybe tomorrow after I envision the pins as taliban murderers 
and throw my 14-pounder into them over and over and over!  I'll 
save the last toss for a certain turd-head, so if you don't see 
him on the board after tomorrow, you'll know what happened.

Missin, just a little observation about Noah... he gets a little 
wasted after a certain time of night, and free association gets 
the better of him.  He'll be all better in the morning.  I 
worried about him for a little while too until I made this 
observation.  He's really a sweet kid.  (Sorry about the kid 
thing, Noah!)  I'm glad he continues to post here.

WASHINGTON (AP) -
                                                  The recession 
and the
                                                  costs of war 
and
                                                  battling 
terrorism have
                                                  made annual 
federal
                                                  deficits likely 
for at
                                                  least the next 
three
                                                  years, the 
White House
                                                  budget director 
said
                                                  Wednesday.

                                                  The prediction 
by
                                                  budget chief 
Mitchell
                                                  Daniels was one 
of the
                                                  gloomiest 
assessments
                                                  yet of the
                                                  government's 
fiscal
                                                  health. And it 
was the
                                                  first time an
                                                  administration 
official
                  has publicly acknowledged that deficits - 
banished since
                  surpluses first appeared in 1998 - are likely 
now for several
                  years.________________________________________
The main objective of terrorism is to destroy the enemy.

......awaiting my imminent destruction............

EagleEye, it's after 11 p.m. here and I'm about to rename myself 
Exhausted.  I think I read somewhere that you're on the west 
coast as well, but I'm a real wimp after 10 p.m.  I'm too sleepy 
and not vulgar enough to do the job, I'm afraid.

I read some really disgusting remarks made by Walter a bit ago 
directed at Snake~~Eyes and Missin.  I just so happen to know 
both of these ladies -- one of them is a close personal friend 
of mine -- and can vouch for their remarkable character and 
undying patriotism, more so than most men I know.  They do not 
in any way deserve the ugly attacks on them.  I am royally 
pissed at him for those cheap shots, and right now I wish I had 
your stinging fingers to let loose on him.  Could you please do 
the honor?  I think you are most capable and most sincere, and I 
think you would be willing.  I can't think of a better person 
for the job, in fact.

Until now, I took turd-boy and his UKVoiceless cohort with a 
grain of salt worthy of being ignored.  But now it's personal, 
and I'd like it -- no, I'd LOVE it, in a sick and twisted way -- 
if you would make his life hell for me.

Thanks EagleEye... you're the best! :)

Walter, I'm not a mean person.  I love diversity and varying 
perspectives, even if I don't agree with them.  I've watched you 
and EagleEye wrestle with each other, and it appears that both 
of you enjoy the venting going on, or else you wouldn't be doing 
it.  But with your comments to the others, you've crossed the 
line with even my patience.  You have disgusted me with your 
vile ugliness to two of the most honorable women I know.

I have no sympathy for you at all, because you are not human.  
You make no attempt to be decent.  You revel in ugliness and 
hate and anger.  You play with the fire of emotions.  You've 
shown your true colors to me.  I cannot tolerate that.  I pity 
any child that is born of your loins, because that baby will 
only know hate and filth and loathing.  That baby will never 
know compassion and love and honesty as long as it knows you.  
You like to hurt deep, and that goes beyond my compassion and 
understanding.

How's the daughter?You realize,of course,that even if they get 
the tumor now,there are still cells in her body which will 
probably kill her in three to five years.It happens all the 
time.Read up on it.Its only death,get used to it.Your nephew will 
be going back out there,and you know it,and where is there to run 
to in the middle of the ocean?

allatti2d:Thanks for the"thumbs up!"

oooohhh yeah .... bin Lucifer has killed off america .... we're 
doomed, finished, done for ... we all quit .. Uhhh Huh ..... we 
give up. We're all dooooooomed.

hahahahahhahhahhahhahahhahhahahahahahahahahahA

whats that you term you used the other day ..... Uhhhhh

PRICELESS!!!

Should we just Call you Waldo "Keynes" from now on?!LOL!

..... after all your twaddle, that the betties wanna fondle 
your "gold Medallion" ... ya Muzzle Em Sex Gawd you...... 
bwuahhhhhhahahahahhaha

Why dont ya quit picking on the other Breeders ... its not their 
fault that they got ovaries, and you gotta measure your pecker 
with a micrometer.  Its all gonna be just fine - honest you look 
fine in high heels and make up.  Be happy - at least you wont 
have to tape it down.

You know,when your son-in-law is slaughtered in this war,your 
daughter will go into a severe depression.She's scared right now 
that he's going to go.Try to do things for her to cheer her 
up.Catch a fish,and dedicate it to her. 

Listen ..... Wal-terd is really harmless, and certainly nothing 
to get all riled about.

He's just missin' his little nephew.  Im sure he will calm down 
once the little tike returns from Pakistan.

Abdul Jabbar wants to
                                                     die. 
Squatting beside his
                                                     wife's 
unconscious body,
                                                     his 12 
children and
                                                     
grandchildren huddled
                                                     around him 
in a tiny,
                                                     open tent of 
sticks and
                                                     stitched 
sacks, the
              65-year-old brushes away tears as he describes his 
prospects in the coming
              Afghan winter. Freezing rain and snow will cover 
the Dehdadi camp on the
              southern outskirts of Mazar-i-Sharif, home to 
15,000 refugees. Temperatures
              will drop to 5[degrees]F, and the filthy roadside 
ditch from which the refugees
              fetch their gray fetid water will freeze. 

              Already the ground is too hard to dig graves. 
Instead, the bodies of those
              killed by starvation, dehydration, disease or 
exposure are covered with
              earth and weighed down with stones against dust 
storms. During the
              summer, Abdul Jabbar sold for food all his family's 
clothes that weren't
              rags. Now his children can't sleep because of the 
cold, unless, like his wife
              beside him, they faint from hunger. So Abdul Jabbar 
hopes death will end
              their agony--and quickly, as it did for his son 
Jaan Mohammed, 12, who
              stepped on a land mine while collecting firewood. 
"We are already dying,"
              Abdul Jabbar says. "I just want to die once instead 
of this dying a little
              every day. The Americans should have bombed us as 
well." 

AMERICA:Preserving Freedom Everywhere.

Get off your lazy ass, your computer, and your phallus ..... fly 
your ass over and help em then.  Just think ... you'll be so 
much closer to your nephew.

CHINA:Preserving everything everywhere

PS: "The Americans should have bombed us as well." 

Idea - Waldo - give him your flashlight and stand right next to 
him .... lets see just how freaking SMART the bombs are.

"Taliban official Hafiz Majidullah quoted Omar as saying,  We 
are ready to face the Americans. We are happy that they have 
landed here, and we will teach them a lesson. 

But then ...... 3 paragraphs later ........

"The agency quoted an unidentified Taliban official as saying 
Omar was whisked away at the last moment when militia 
counterintelligence noted the presence of two men suspected of 
working for the Americans."

Americans were taught a lesson in Jihide.

nephew will be stationed stateside, and will  be very much 
involved in "shakin the snakes" outta the bushes right here, so 
will my son in law, they have both been trained, and will do 
what they have been trained to do.
Im sure my daughter will be fine, and she will resume her happy 
life, at least she has a life, that is something that Waldo the 
magnificent will never have .



To all, we must pity A WALTER,  IT is forced to wake up each 
day, and breath, and it is forced to sustain its life, day after 
day, by eating fried pork rinds in the dark with no light except 
for that coming from ITS 14 inch monitor, while with the other 
hand IT reaches into its washing machine deprived sweatpants, 
reaching into the place where ITS one and a half inch "noodle" 
that IT urinates from lays flacid, IT stares into ITS monitor, 
craning its neck, trying to count how many new ZITS IT HAS!  
Days turn into weeks, and weeks into months, and the years 
pass .... IT remembers fondly the month where someone, anyone 
paid attention to IT,   on a message board,THIS MESSAGE BOARD. 
IT never recieved the kind of attention it really craved, NO ONE 
loved IT, not even ITS own mother, did  it even have a mother, 
IT forgot, did it GROW up  in a dumpster behind a chicken coop, 
could it be???? 

If it smells like chicken shit, it probably is!

I would love to have you as a guest in my home one evening, i 
will prepare a sumptuous meal, and after supper, you can sit 
around in my living room and have a real discussion with a few 
of my buddies,one is my brother/he still wears his baret, its 
green, my bro in law is a retired marine, he saw lots of action 
too, i will make sure i invite the 2 navy seals, who are still 
in active service, they can acquaint you with some of the 
realities of war, and the realities of LIFE and death, they may 
get bored with you after only a short while, but i will make 
sure that i serve the dessert early in the evening, so you dont 
choke on it as you discuss YOUR politics with them, and they get 
real bored with you, mabye they can all go out and play catch 
with whats left of you when they get done, please make sure to 
tell them how much you enjoyed watching the towers come down!

Im sure quite a few here would love to meet you!

I have watched you make an ass of yourself here for a few days, 
and frankly, your pretty boring... maybe I will just deliver 
your dinner in a brown paper bag, and drop it off at the freeway 
onramp that you "WORK AT" each day

As if the "flacid" depiction wasnt spot on, but the crem de la 
crem ........

"with no light except for that coming from ITS 14 inch monitor"

Thoreau is pea freakin green with envy right now.  Too much.

Priceless .......

Post your address,and call your brother.

nephew will be stationed stateside, and will  be very much 
                involved in "shakin the snakes" outta the bushes 
right here, so 
                  will my son in law, they have both been 
trained, and will do 
                               what they have been trained to do.


And what is that?Are they trained at watching watching World 
Trade Centers fall? Do they film screaming people running for 
their lives?LOL!!!  LOVE IT!!!

#1, Ely's Court
Over-against John Hay Library
66 College Street
Providence, R.I.,U.S.A.

Boy,with gas so cheap right now it would be fun to go on a 
vacation!But,alas,I really don't believe its a valid 
address.Might be where your mother the crack whore turns 
tricks,but still not good enough.Hell,it might even be where 
Snake Eyes daughter turns tricks(when she's not having chunks cut 
out of her),but alas..............
 

Come on out from your dumpster and introduce yourself, they will 
be happy to show you what they have been trained for, better 
yet, stay right where you are, they will get to you eventually, 
but first they need to concentrate on the important problems, 
your nothing a little flea powder cant take care of!

Dont need to call brother, dont need to post my address, brother 
already on you, take your snotty teeshirt, and wipe off the 
slime from your front window and try to peer outside, look 
outside, see the guy with the green baret?

Step outside and tell him snake~~eyes sent you....

maybe you two can take a walk and discuss politics, for a couple 
minutes, unless of course he gets bored with you....

Yeah,eveyone in America saw how the Marines protected the U.S.on 
9-11.If you go back and look at the films,you will see Marines 
running way ahead of the rest of the crowd,and leaving their 
fellow Americans to die.Maybe THEY had some important problems 
they had to take care of first.Who knows?LOL!!!

Keep posting the threats,they are very informative.I keep a copy 
of every one as a keepsake,so to speak.

Do you also have a television set?
thats nice...
and a vcr?
what size generator do you use to run all three appliances at  
the same time from your cave?

what are you using for fuel? camel dung methane?
im so sorry to hear you have cancer, is it just in your brain, 
or has it spread to your noodle?

you have moved up in the world, you now reside in a dumpster 
with a sky light, sorry about the crack about the cave, i know 
how lonely you were living there, with no windows, or proper 
ventilation, let the good times roll!

Dont need to call brother, dont need to post my address, brother 
                  already on you, take your snotty teeshirt, and 
wipe off the 
                   slime from your front window and try to peer 
outside, look 
                           outside, see the guy with the green 
baret?

                       Step outside and tell him snake~~eyes sent 
you.

Might want to to ask your lawyer.Better yet,call legal aid;you 
can afford that can't you?LOL!!! If you're concerned about my 
finacial life,I've burnt 2 CD's of the World Trade Center 
attacks,and they've sold quite a few copies.Made 3090.00 so 
far.My goal is 6,000$----1 dollar a death.Its quite amusing to 
make money from America's terror.

and now we know what kind of fuel IT uses to run ITS three 
appliances.....
could it be a tons of BULL manuer that IT manufactures each and 
everytime ITS fingers  lovingly caresses its keyboard.

dont forget to buckle your seatbelt, and get them bungee cords 
strapped tightly around your 14 inch monitor and your television 
and vcr,  for tommorow is trash day, those trucks get noisy dont 
they,  and you dont want to have to dumpster dive again for new 
appliances, imagine how much time you would miss on the Message 
board...

have a nice ride! does it feel kind of like being on a ferris 
wheel, when they turn the dumpster over and shake it?

Does it feel like you're in a movie,when you watch those 
buildings crumple like useless toys?And watching the little dolls 
jumping and tumbling end over end?

hey maybe you can move to a dumpster on the right side of the 
tracks now that your independantly wealthy!

lol, 

maybe you can afford to have your old one remodeled, thats so 
you dont have to smell up a new one to suit you!

missin can give you tips on faux painting, shes an excellent 
decorator, and doesnt mind doing charity work sometimes

I thought I might be able to help shed just a little light on 
                   why my buddy snake-eyes uses the board the way 
she...yes, 
                 she...does.  She has a lot of fear in her life 
right now...it 
                all began on 9/11.  This board is a place where 
she can express 
                  her feelings "vociferously" without being 
afraid of hurting 
                anyone's feelings (something she worries about 
way too much).  I 
                 encouraged her to come here for exactly that 
purpose...I hope 
                     you all don't mind.  She really needs the 
room to vent 
                occasionally with a nephew sailing around out 
there somewhere, 2 
                nieces (one of whom wants to be a Navy pilot, and 
a daughter who 
                   just had a cancerous tumor removed from her 
spine...like I 
                  said...a whole lotta fear.  She hasn't slept 
well for months 
                now...since 9/11, so I hope you'll make 
allowances for her, and 
                  allow her to continue to come here and be 
emboldened by the 
                                   likes of Eagle-Eye and Spy.

She has a lot of fear in her life 
                                         right now...it 
                                all began on 9/11.
a daughter who 
                                    just had a cancerous tumor 
removed from her 
                                         spine...like I 
                                   said...a whole lotta fear.  
She hasn't slept 
                                        well for months 
                                    now...since 9/11

Hey, Im not knockin your lifestyle, but I know trash when I see 
it.

 do you have earplugs, maybe you can sleep thru the racket in 
the morning when the trash trucks show up.

your up late, are you signing your CD's? lol

your a moron....
but i like you!

you make me laugh, i havent laughed so hard in months....
sorry,  missins correct, i really am sensitive and dont like 
hurting peoples feelings, i lost lots of sleep, thinking about
my loved ones in the military, they are doing very well, and as 
for my daughter, (a subject that you seem obsessed with, lol, 
things are working out well for her), i do however have a bit of 
a toothache right now, do you want to run with that for a while? 
lol

you really must get help, you must begin the journey sometime...

Best wishes for your loved ones in the service.And I hope your 
daughter gets well and will be able to play & play.Everyone 
deserves a childhood.


OK,enough of that.Back to dumpsters and disaster!!!

My apologies,I probably wrongfully assumed she was a child.You 
started to talk to me as though I was a human being,just like 
you,and it just fucked me all up for a second.
 Once again,my apologies.

And now folks,back to battle.

#1, Ely's Court
Over-against John Hay Library
66 College Street
Providence, R.I.,U.S.A.
Send letter with return address.We will draw you a map.

snakey baby!!! It does my heart good to see you with a target to 
pour all the crap you've been dealing with out on.  I absolutely 
love Walter for playing the fool for you.  It's just so great to 
see you able to vent and vent the way you did last night.

Walter, you have done us a truly great service by offering us a 
target so filthy and so ugly that even we...who care much about 
our fellow man, can unleash with impunity the rage we've kept 
bottled up since 9/11.  Great Job!

Thanks Allatit2d for all the nice stuff you've said about snakey 
and myself...you know I feel the same about you, my friend.

Please forgive me for my last post from last night.  I was 
irritable and not thinking at the time.  If this surprises 
anyone, allow me to explain.

I got a rather nice email from U.K. Citizen, who unfortunately 
left this board.  His words made me think about what's currently 
going on with Walter here, who has apparently "hijacked" the 
board to suit his own purposes.  I find no humor in his very 
personal attacks on my personal friends, even though earlier I 
often laughed at both Walter and EagleEye with their "yo mamma" 
banter... it got very personal for me when Walter directed his 
attacks on Snake Eyes' daughter and nephew and Missin's poor 
missin uterus.  That crossed a line for me.  The humor ceased 
for me at that point.

My apologies are to everyone who reads and posts here, those who 
come here to discuss the conflict in the middle east.  In the 
past day or so, it has become more of a boxing ring for personal 
slams and misrepresentations of real life news.  From the 
inception of this board, it has been about expressing opinions 
and views about the conflict, and I hope it returns to that.  
The E.S.D. has continued to provide articles for thought and 
education, without involving himself/herself/themselves in 
personal conflict there, and I appreciate that very much.  A few 
of you have also kept with the nature of this board even during 
the wrestling matches, and I appreciate that also.

I apologize for detracting from the purpose of this board by 
trying to engage in a personal battle.  EagleEye, thank you for 
your strength of character and conviction.  Please ignore my 
previous request to go after Walter.  I want to see more of your 
current events commentary.  I don't mind the banter, but I hope 
it is secondary to what is really going on out there, rather 
than the primary focus.  Thanks.

Hey Sweetie,
Remember way back when I posted this link at the other board?  I 
did it then because we were all feeling so much anger that we 
didn't feel that we could express in that venue.  I think my 
exact words were..."If you need an outlet, check this out and 
help me rip some redneck ass."

I like reading all the informative stuff here, and the opinions 
of most everyone here (well thought out or not) but what I like 
most about this board is that it's a "no holds barred" 
environment where I can say the F word if I feel it's 
warranted.  And, as I said in my earlier post...it gives me 
targets in the form of Walter and U.K. Voices to vent my 
spleen.  

I have NO problem with Walter's comments about my missin 
uterus...hell, I wanted the danged thing gone so that it'll quit 
interferring with my bass tournaments! LOL!  And, with the 2 
children I have and the brood that my honey has...the LAST thing 
I'd want is to start over raising kids at my age.  I'm ready to 
get my retirement funds built up so that I can go play full time 
in a few more years.  Fortunately, the downturn in the market is 
playing perfectly into my hands...it's a GREAT time to be an 
investor!

Now, if anyone attacks me on the other board, I'll expect you to 
be outraged...we abide by the golden rule there (or we should).  
But, this is different...and necessary at the moment. 
Huggggggggs!

Do you really think I would come up there and take an ass 
whipping?  I don't think so.  Why don't you post your phone 
number so I can call and shout explicatives at you because that 
is about all I can do.

Arafat is a terrorist.

A contingent of extremist fighters fell upon Walter's trailer 
before Walter had time to settle down, those in the know say. 
The ensuing ass-kicking left no less than 2 teeth in Walter's 
mouth. The attackers apparently had to withdraw due to the 
unbearable stench at his trailer which led one fighter to "UK 
Vomit" all over the place.  

The few, the proud, the standing, left Walter there to die.  
Americans are in a state of celebration.  

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything I believe we should 
all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real 
problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I 
go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my 
cock. 

      Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up 
a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. 
Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their 
workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy 
looked like a real man's man, too big biceps, meaty thighs, 
thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until 
he started sucking my cock, that is. 

      Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I 
look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without 
realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering 
the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that 
reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock." 

      I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to 
do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking 
my cock, I've got a real problem. 

      Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and 
came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. 
He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that 
mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock! 

      What is it with these homos? Can't they control their 
sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them 
to suck on without them having to target normal people like me? 

      Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked 
by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach 
club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my 
wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to 
me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I 
could do to stop them. 

      I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot 
of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this 
happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? 
And where did he get those fantastic boots? 

      It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a 
man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me 
and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even 
started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes 
during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with 
my wife even some that haven't actually happened, like the 
sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks 
forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about. 

      Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying 
to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel 
tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But, 
believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these 
homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, 
frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way 
to get them to stop. 

      I've tried all sorts of things, but it's all been to no 
avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-
looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the 
hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn't 
work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really 
started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were 
sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their 
mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their 
face, chest, and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have 
to do to get the message across to these swishes? 

      I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit 
sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to 
drastic measures like maybe pinning them down to the cement 
floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working 
my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and 
clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I 
mean, you can't get much more direct than that.

Wow!That was a funny story.I don't know though why you're 
posting it here.Send it to Penthouse.

I am sorry.  I wake up in strange places sometimes and don't 
know what happens to me.  Sometimes my butthole hurts after this 
happens.

REPOST - w/addition

Let me try to put Walter into perspective for you.  He really is 
truly unbalanced.  He has no clue how seriously mentally ill he 
is - As many like he, do not.  I feel sorry for him.  I ignore 
him and he mostly does not challenge me.

If folks simply ignore him he will leave and practice his 
irrational rants elsewhere.  We're not in position to help him.  
Hopefully someone will one day.

I suspect the authorities have checked on him and found him to 
be as I have stated and determined locking him up serves little 
purpose.

Please ignore this unbalanced individual.  He really will go 
find another vent for his displaced anger.

John
E...

Additionally - I look forward to his departure so this board may 
return to the topic, the Middle East and the terror wrought from.

Just as one must look away from the crazed homeless on the 
streets, as there is little that one can do as a single 
individual; I look away from Walter.  He is on my ignore, as 
should be yours.

WALTER 
Gender: Male 
Origin: Teutonic 
Meaning: Rule People  

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Important:

Dear Walter:      The following analysis describes a few 
qualities of your first name. There are many additional factors 
(legal name, nicknames, family surname, combined names, previous 
names, and business signature) that contribute to your entire 
personality - and your entire life.


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Walter

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Your name of Walter creates a quick, clever mind capable of 
grasping and assimilating new ideas. You are rather studious, 
mentally challenging each new idea before accepting it. Because 
you learn so quickly you have little patience with those whose 
mental processes are somewhat slower, and you could become 
supercilious or somewhat "know it all" in your attitude. This 
characteristic could make you rather unpopular with your 
associates. Although you are very knowledgeable and intelligent, 
you often find spontaneous verbal expression difficult. You 
crave friendship, understanding, love, and affection abut your 
reserved manner appears forbidding to others. You can give 
expression to your personal thoughts and feelings most fluently 
through the written word. You have a sensitive nature--sensitive 
to your environment and particularly sensitive to how your 
deeper and more serious interests are regarded by others. Your 
feelings are very easily hurt and to protect yourself you 
withdraw within the realms of your own private thoughts and shut 
out the rest of the world. Moods, which are your worst enemy, 
result. Your sensitivity and lack of verbal expression frustrate 
and limit the satisfaction in life to be gained from your 
responsible and capable nature. Health problems arise due to 
worry and a sensitivity in the respiratory area which could lead 
to problems with the heart, lungs, or bronchial organs 

Twice you have posted these words -->  "Arafat is a terrorist."

You are on topic, the Middle East.  Thank you.  But please know 
this.  WE ALL KNOW ARAFAT IS A TERRORIST.  Please share some new 
information.

Thanks,

John
E...

When did this board go from the Taliban and attacks on the WTC 
to discussions of Walter's sexual preference?

Ohhhhhhh shit!  My eyes are freaking watering from ROFLMAO!!!!!!

That was some serious funny shit Walter...... and not one 
Spelling Error to boot. Hey Waldo .. Prrrrrrriiiiiceless!

literally .... !!!!LOL!!!

Wow!  Go away for a couple of days, and look at the changes!  
U.K. Citizen, very sorry to see you go.  You contributed in a 
very positive way to this board and your element of sanity will 
be missed.  If you are checking in to read, hope you will 
reconsider...
John is probably right--ignore him and he just MIGHT go away...
Take care, all.

Word of the Day for Thursday November 29, 2001:

   flummery \FLUM-uh-ree\, noun:
  
   Empty  compliment;  unsubstantial  talk  or writing; mumbo
   jumbo; nonsense.

     He  had become disturbed by the number of listeners phoning
     in with such flummery as tales of self-styled clairvoyants'
     uncannily correct forecasts.
     --Suzanne Seixas, "One Man's Finances," Money, September 1,
     1986

     One  reason there is so much flummery in the global warming
     debate  is that the weather in the Northeast United States,
     where  the  opinion-makers  live,  has  a  disproportionate
     effect on whether greenhouse concerns are taken seriously.
     --Gregg   Easterbrook,   "Warming   Up,"  [1]New  Republic,
     November 8, 1999

     It  is Dr. August's claim that he receives inspiration from
     spirits,  that  through his music the departed can speak to
     those   they   left  behind.  Although  this  is  sometimes
     unabashed  flummery,  there  are moments when Fitz seems to
     make a real connection with those who have crossed over.
     --Paul  Quarrington,  "Psychic Hotline," [2]New York Times,
     September 3, 2000
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> > 
> > 
> >TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >'TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, 
> > 
> > HE LIVED ALL ALONE, 
> > 
> > IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF 
> > 
> > PLASTER AND STONE. 
> > 
> > I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY 
> > 
> >WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE, 
> > 
> > AND TO SEE JUST WHO 
> > 
> > IN THIS HOME DID LIVE. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I LOOKED ALL ABOUT, 
> > 
> > A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE, 
> > 
> > NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS, 
> > 
> > NOT EVEN A TREE. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > NO STOCKING BY MANTLE, 
> > 
> > JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND, 
> > 
> > ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES 
> > 
> > OF FAR DISTANT LANDS. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > WITH MEDALS AND BADGES, 
> > 
> > AWARDS OF ALL KINDS, 
> > 
> > A SOBER THOUGHT 
> > 
> > CAME THROUGH MY MIND. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT, 
> > 
> > IT WAS DARK AND DREARY, 
> > 
> > I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER, 
> > 
> > ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING, 
> > 
> > SILENT, ALONE, 
> > 
> > CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR 
> > 
> > IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE, 
> > 
> > THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER, 
> > 
> > NOT HOW I PICTURED 
> > 
> > A UNITED STATES SOLDIER 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > WAS THIS THE HERO 
> > 
> > OF WHOM I'D JUST READ? 
> > 
> > CURLED UP ON A PONCHO, 
> > 
> > THE FLOOR FOR A BED? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I REALIZED THE FAMILIES 
> > 
> > THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT, 
> > 
> >OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS 
> > 
> > WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > SOON ROUND THE WORLD, 
> > 
> > THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY, 
> > 
> > AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE 
> > 
> > A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM 
> > 
> > EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, 
> > 
> > BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS, 
> > 
> > LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I COULDN'T HELP WONDER 
> > 
> > HOW MANY LAY ALONE, 
> > 
> > ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE 
> > 
> > IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THE VERY THOUGHT 
> > 
> > BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE, 
> > 
> > I DROPPED TO MY KNEES 
> > 
> > AND STARTED TO CRY. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THE SOLDIER AWAKENED 
> > 
> > AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE, 
> > 
> >"SANTA DON'T CRY, 
> > 
> > THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE; 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, 
> > 
> > I DON'T ASK FOR MORE, 
> > 
> > MY LIFE IS MY GOD, 
> > 
> > MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS." 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER 
> > 
> > AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP, 
> > 
> > I COULDN'T CONTROL IT, 
> > 
> >I CONTINUED TO WEEP. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS, 
> > 
> > SO SILENT AND STILL 
> > 
> > AND WE BOTH SHIVERED 
> > 
> > FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE 
> > 
> > ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT, 
> > 
> > THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR 
> > 
> > SO WILLING TO FIGHT. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER, 
> > 
> > WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE, 
> > 
> > WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA, 
> > 
> > IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE." 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH, 
> > 
> > AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. 
> > 
> > "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND, 
> > 
> > AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT." 
> > 

**********
 
> > 
> > This poem was written by a Marine stationed in 
> >Okinawa, Japan. 
> > 
> > The following is his request. I think it is 
> >reasonable..... 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > PLEASE. Would you do me the kind favor of sending 
> >this to as 
> >many 
> > 
> > people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and 
> >some credit 
> > 
> > is due to our US service men and women for our being 
> >able to 
> > 
> > celebrate these festivities. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of 
> >what we owe. 
> > 
> > Make people stop and think of our heroes, living and 
> >dead, who 
> > 
> > sacrificed themselves for us. Please, do your small 
> >part to 
> >plant 
> > 
> > this small seed. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Help keep FREEDOM IN AMERICA, by letting the 
> >military people, 
> > 
> > know we appreciate their efforts to KEEP US SAFE! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >===== 
> >"LMZ" 
> > 
> >__________________________________________________ 

Well I guess since Walter rarely discusses On Topic ideas, he 
likes to get real personal, its not suprising he would choose to 
vent his sexual preference, and other personal "issues" here.

One can only hope that now Waldo Pig Jigalo has gotten that out 
of his system he can get back to the topical nature of this 
venue.

You are right John, he is unbalanced.  He is a truly sick 
person.  It is so sad.  And he doesn't even know it.  Oh well...

Contrary to your belief, I know I'm sick. I've known it since I 
was 12. I'm actually getting better.  Or so I'm told.

Men first always, always, always.

I'm not ill really.  I'm just having fun with these people.

Johnny "Mike" Spamm, only 32 was STOMPED TO DEATH by al Qaueda 
cowards during bloody prison riots.  Ironically, my last post 
questioned WHY the Northern ALliance did not just kill all these 
fuckers on the spot, instead of letting them be in prison.  
Deepest condolences to the loved ones of Johnny "Mike" Spamm an 
American Hero.

I know what these people think of me, and I do not care.I never 
did, and I never will.I'm going to do and say whatever I like, 
whenever I like.They can all go to hell.EagleTurd is right, but 
I don't care.But I don't care...  I'm happy making you 
unhappy.   *LOL*

When you post as me,be sure to use these---(LOL) instead of 
this---*  around the LOL. But thank you for posting as me while I 
was away.

Ah, but you don't make any of us unhappy, dear Walter.  As I 
said, you do great service to us by giving us someone to vent 
on.  Keep up the great work!

You are extremely unhappy, Walter...

You are very disturbed as well...

Our image of you, your meaningless life gets clearer by the 
day...

Now look again; we said you are very unhappy, Walter...

The time, the thinking you have put into your postings clearly 
shows that you do care what people think of you.

Nothing actually...., and you know that too, don't you Walter?

Because, Walter, you are a nobody trying desperately to be 
somebody.

But you do realise, don't you Walter, that you are and will be 
unhappy.

So, Walter these are our last words from us to you.

We are leaving you now, Walter, in the sweet knowledge of 
your unmesurable and infinite unhappiness....

Good-bye Walter, from Europe, this was Radio Europe.



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Arafat is a terrorist.

thoughts on the Palastinians ... Post Mordem Arafat?

Anyone care to postulate?

America's most vehemently opposed US Senator's .... Leahy [D] - 
titular head of the Senate Jusdiciary commitee is in a public 
panty fit over Bush's Military Tribunals, as are many Anti 
American Euro's.  Most of the drivel is the fear of civil 
liberties being lost.

Couple things ...... Leahy and others want these terrorist puke 
bastards litigated thru our Superior Court Justice System.  
Additionally, these same critics, while placing the "rights" of 
alien terrorists above actual US Citizen security desire an 
expeditious and fair trial.  All the while these same terrorists 
will likely be unable to get "on the docket" at any US Superior 
courts as Leahy and other LIB Democratic assholes on the 
Judiciary committee are too busy getting face time, pissing 
their panties about Ashcroft, and stonewalling Bush's possible 
appointed Federal Judges from getting a hearing.

In other words there aint gonna be any judges for these 
terrorist prick bastards to appear before - so they'll rot in 
our jails getting their empty domes pummeled by patriotic 
American Inmates who are hearing about Taliban prisoners of war 
stomping american CIA agents to death. Looks like arabs will be 
getting the same kind of treatment in jail as child molesters 
do.  Fairness just seems to have a way of prevailing no matter 
what Liberal Dem's try to do to curtail it.

I never realized what a brilliant patriot Leahy actually was!

What a beautiful Judicial System we have.

Palestinian residents of a Jenin-area refugee camp spilled out 
into the streets to celebrate and fire shots into the air when 
they heard of the attack, Israel Radio reported. 

I think that's the right word, my friend.  Arafat has tried to 
play both ends against the middle, and has found it's 
impossible.  I think he's finally realized that he can't 
continue to look the other way when palestinian terror groups 
target civilians in shopping malls.  He has several choices and 
only two are clear cut.  
*Clean out that rat's nest of terror groups on his own.  
*Allow Israel (or us) to do it for him. IMHO...I think this is 
what he has been doing...all the while posing as outraged. 
*Or, face the same music as Afghanistan is facing...just not 
sure when.

But, if he's gone.  Then it's easy.  He's the only one there 
who's made ANY attempt as peace talks...if he's gone...oh 
well...then we just go ahead and take out the terror groups 
ourselves.  Better even if Israel stays out of it...but, they 
won't.

If you talk about it that much then you are one. 

I know that I have only posted once,but I do read this board 
everyday.What has happened? Has it become a bashing board? If 
you ingore Walter he will go away...He wants you to lower 
yourselves down to his level...Just say no! So many good people 
on here  keep it that way...Sorry to bother you but had to say 
something.

Radio thinks that Yasser Arafat actually hasn't much to offer in peace-talks anymore.

In a way, that's a pity but we suspect that there are certain powers -and money- playing 
behind his back that pursue his very ideas, although in a  "less sophisticated" manner.

It is clear that he no longer is control and strings are being pulled by "less favorable 
foreign parties". And supported by possibly even less favorable regimes.

In the end, it may be these "parties" controlling the situation from a safe and comfortable 
distance that are responsible for the endless violence and misery that has been going on 
over there.

It is probably high time indeed to go after the origins of these problems, the very same 
groups and regimes that have been cultivating and financing terror for over 40 years.

The very same powers that are more or less directly behind the terror attacks on 
American targets, the very same powers that are linked mostly by Islamism and 
cumulated arab frustration.

None of this has to to with western wealth and "degeneration" as liberty is often referred 
to in these circles.

It is simply the worst case of doctrine since nazism, and it is a shame that much of is being 
brought into the world with a religion as its' political vehicle. One that will prove 
devastating in the end for this particular religions' followers, eventually.

For in the end, their religion will be understood only as an unjust political power that 
tolerates and even stimulates terror.

As some of these groups and their financial channels are being dismantled the vigor of 
the so called "holy war" will become evident. So will its' sources -and- resources.
We suspect the outcome to be even more alarming as we can immagine today.

We also think Israel is merely scratching the surface and occasionally hits a bit deeper in 
their efforts against terrorism and has been very carefully until today, because the number 
one on the agenda of the above mentioned groups is its' very destruction.

was Radio Europe, goodbye for now 11.59 GMT.

You guys run a mean board.Is there a war going on here to?

All: I have been asked to return to the board, but I shall do so 
only in a one off post. I do so at some reluctance, but ONLY 
because I gave my word that I would not do so, and I shall from 
this point onwards, remain true to my word. I have briefly 
scanned the posts since my absence, prior to writing this post. 
The only reason I have posted at all is that I am appalled and 
saddened at what I find at the destructive comments made by UK 
Voices.

UK Voices: While the cat's away..the 
mice......tut.tut..naughty..naughty. I see you've changed your 
tact slightly, at least for the moment, good cop-bad cop,...I 
see,...both though, sadly and predictably, incredibly 
arrogant....as always. Thought you'd get away with representing 
the bulk of British opinion in my absense...well think again. 
James Whale (Radio Broadcaster) someone you'd doubtless disagree 
with, since I and many share his common sense opinions was also 
at this 'peace rally' that apparantly has, according to you, 
just saved the entire world as we know it! Amazing!..all those 
people just stood waving banners....must have had the Al-Qaeda 
quaking in their boots. Equal rights for international 
terrorists to bomb and maim whoever they so wish with absolutely 
no fear of reprisal. Right on squire!..  

Facts: You estimated around 100,000 persons were present at said 
rally in Trafalgar Square. I, obviously wouldn't be seen dead 
with you and your cohorts, there were however, a number of 
Taliban sympathisers according to said Radio presenter. Not many 
but a few, nice company you're keeping. He knows what a crowd of 
100,000 people would look like. He hosted an event, in front of 
a full-house at Wembly Stadium, that for such events, can hold 
90-100 thousand persons, approximately. In his view, the numbers 
present at the rally were according to him, around a quarter of 
what you describe. If you have any arguments about take them up 
with him, Talksport 10pm-1am Weekdays), should make for 
interesting listening. Along with the Nike wearing, mobile phone 
using anti-capitalist-anti-war, flag waving rent-a-crowd, were 
esteemed speakers on world affairs such as Bianca Jagger. I 
watched this person in an interview alongside a Tory politician 
being interviewed, and she looked pathetic by comparison, which 
at this present time is not an easy task in regards to any Tory 
politician. When asked questions on what she would have done to 
stop the Taliban, she provided not one single coherant argument 
that would have made a blind bit of difference to Al-Qaeda and 
the Taliban. I waited, (along with the interviewer) for 
something remotely knowledgable to come out of her mouth,..we 
waited in vain, by which time she was duly ignored by her 
interviewer and her fellow interviewee. It speaks volumes that 
the rally organisers could find nobody better. Aside from Tony 
Benn MP, who I do have time to listen to, though I don't agree 
with a lot of what he says, he does at least, have well 
constructed arguments that are worth listening to. Oh, and I 
understand Arthur Scargill was there also. What a joke!..(ex 
trade union leader has been, stooping to become a rent-a-
speaker) What exactly are his qualifications in regards to 
speaking on middle eastern matters. Did he have a career in the 
Diplomatic Core that I wasn't aware of? Please inform me if he 
has 'UK Voices'. The search for such evidence may prove even 
harder to find than the evidence that you've finished your 
wonderful non-existant, never to be started computer operating 
system. I came back on this board, because you pissed me off 
with your arrogant attitude, and I wasn't going to let you get 
away with it. Neither shall I let you get away with the 'nancy 
boy' slur. Well then, looks like you slipped up first. Now who's 
purile, ignorant and immature, everything you supposedly 
disdain. What a hypocrite...be sure to thank Bill Gates for the 
time you've spent using your machine to type in the drivel 
you've done, ever since you violated this board with your 
obnoxious personality. Paul Marsden MP will be waiting in vain 
for his Nobel Peace Prize, I'd say. As much as I agree in his 
right to express his opinion I cannot agree with him. There are 
times to talk and times to fight, said MP picked precisely the 
wrong time to talk. Show this post to your family and friends. 
I'm sure they'll be real proud of your anti-Amercian hypocracy. 
Sleep soundly in your bed tonight, maybe you can get Al-Qaeda to 
provide protection for you, while you do.

Spy: Don't worry, it's all forgotten. Nice touch, ignore it and 
defeat i.r.o UK Voices. Like John said, he's not worth it, he's 
arrogant, he doesn't listen and he simply does not care for 
other people's feelings on this board. Give these individuals 
enough rope to hang themselves with, and they inevitably do 
that. "Stay frosty"...I'm sure the words mean nothing to UK 
Voices, he doesn't watch US Movies.....after all. Take care.

an Italian guy: I gave a rather blanket statement in prior post, 
I guess, because most on this board, as you know, are 
U.S.Citizens. I could have perhaps rephrased it little better. 
What I was trying to do was to give 'my' best sentiments to ALL 
those Amercian or European or otherwise. Sorry about that. I've 
always liked your posts. You are....most definitely, by my 
humble reckoning...most certainly, a good person. Bye.


Walter: I would ask you not to take things too personaly. 
Ultimately, leaving was my decision...and mine alone. Please, do 
not hold my leaving against anyone. You and EagleEye have some 
funny banter going between you...keep it humourous...keep it 
light...arguments laced with good humour are far more effective 
at putting a point across to all who read it.

Everyman: Caught your post. It was a pleasure knowing you over 
the internet. All the best to you and your family. Take care.

John: Keep keeping this board out of the muck sir..and a Merry 
Christmas....in advance!

Holland/Italy: Never spoke directly to you until now, a shame. 
Thank you for those words, I do my best. All the best. 

Radio Europe: You put SO MUCH into the post on religion, and I 
had to throw a tantrum straight after. I'm so sorry. Keep 
broadcasting. Take Care.

theE.S.D: Individual or collective, you succeed admirably in 
rising above any arguments, a fantastic example. You have 
foresight. I think I know, that you know, how important this 
board is, it's name speaks for itself. Respect.

Missin', snake~~eyes: Don't let my leaving be in vain, keep 
posting. Missin', again it's all forgotten, but my word IS my 
word...I hope you understand. Hoping all loved ones come back 
safely. Bye now.

Justice & Justice U.S.A: I'm sure, justice will be done.

allatti2d: Always the calm centre...nuff said.

om/cf: Back to the war, indeed...a very VERY good sentiment sir.

EagleEye: a.k.a. The Best.

America, in times of trouble, may you always have Britian's 
support. If needed of course.

(UK Voices: I won't be coming back to this board, Don't like 
being on the recieving end of a hit and run either, do you.)

ALL: Tell UK Voiceless in my absence, repeatedly, where he can 
stuff his worthless comments.            

What makes your vid different from what all have seem many
times over? Do you do some funnys and lols in the video? How
would one go about puchasing this classic of yours?
More importantly, where would one send a check or credit card
number to get get it in time for a Christmas present?
 You got 4 grand but need 6, I would think a businesswomen, 
such as youself, would be jumping at the opportunity presented
to you on this board.
 Is it for sale over the internet, maybe ebay, we shall take 
a good look.

Dear U.K Citizen,
I sure hate to see you go...it makes me sad...mostly because I 
don't understand why.

All the best to you...you'll be missed.
Missin'

I think you've made some excellent points, my friend.  I think 
there have been some quiet changes going on there under the 
distraction of our attention to Afghanistan.  I wonder...Iraq?  
Or, bin Laden's group?  I assumed you meant the latter.  But, I 
still figure Hussein is in the shadows somewhere...what do you 
think?

I know I am sick and need medicine.  I finally said "fuck it", 
and will not be taking my meds anymore.  My psychiatrist can 
kiss my ass.  I don't give a shit about anything or anybody 
except myself.  LOL!!!

Arafat is not a Terrorist. He is a coward. I agree. But the 
Terrorist is Sharon. All those who believe otherwise are 
mistaken.. 

Peace..

I also like to fish since a kid. My daughter loves to fish, 
though we didnt get much time this summer with my work. Fishing
is where I developed an intense hatred for flip floping people,
they are like fish, they will knock your beer over in the boat
everytime.
 Many here dont know this but Walter is an excellent fisherman,
InFisherman Magazine has awarded him the much coveted
Masterbater Award.

====================================
November 29, 2001 
Egypt Says U.S. Vows Not to Attack Iraq

"If the United States carried the war beyond Afghanistan, he 
[Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher] said, it would 
"cause serious internal problems for friends of the United 
States" in the Middle East. He said there are nonmilitary 
means, such as economic sanctions, that can be used 
against countries that shelter terrorists."

Full story online:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-00009
4998nov29.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Da%5Fsection

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Good 1, Brother! But, In-fisherman's a teensy bit sissy for 
me...don't wanna spend my time learning to catch bottom feeders! 
LOL!  I like the MEAN fish.  Catch some walleye...but, only by 
mistake! LOL! Got on a great pattern for 'em last year during a 
bass tournament!  Keep up the good work! Enjoyed the chuckle!  

wish you could/would stay on board.
we almost left; remember?
wish you would reconsider.
good-bye and God bless.

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything I believe we should 
all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real 
problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I 
go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my 
cock. 

      Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up 
a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. 
Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their 
workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy 
looked like a real man's man, too big biceps, meaty thighs, 
thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until 
he started sucking my cock, that is. 

      Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I 
look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without 
realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering 
the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that 
reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock." 

      I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to 
do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking 
my cock, I've got a real problem. 

      Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and 
came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. 
He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that 
mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock! 

      What is it with these homos? Can't they control their 
sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them 
to suck on without them having to target normal people like me? 

      Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked 
by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach 
club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my 
wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to 
me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I 
could do to stop them. 

      I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot 
of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this 
happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? 
And where did he get those fantastic boots? 

      It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a 
man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me 
and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even 
started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes 
during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with 
my wife even some that haven't actually happened, like the 
sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks 
forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about. 

      Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying 
to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel 
tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But, 
believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these 
homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, 
frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way 
to get them to stop. 

      I've tried all sorts of things, but it's all been to no 
avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-
looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the 
hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn't 
work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really 
started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were 
sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their 
mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their 
face, chest, and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have 
to do to get the message across to these swishes? 

      I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit 
sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to 
drastic measures like maybe pinning them down to the cement 
floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working 
my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and 
clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I 
mean, you can't get much more direct than that.

You have crept into the hearts of many.... I know what it means 
to give your word,but for just this once  could you  reconcider 
we would all open are arms and welcome you back....

All right you better get your fish and freakin chips arse back 
on this board or else damn it!!!

We're not having any of this damn British last hurrah crap 
around here!!!  Get your ass back here and post..... Dont you 
even think about "Nancy"'ing out on us now.  Stiff upper lip and 
all the tea and crumpets shit By Joe!  We aint having this 
exit.  

Save the drama 4 ur Mama - C'Mon ...... Good Gaaaaawwwd MaaaAn - 
this is gettin serious 

Just like Radio Europe and theESD - youre here, your live and 
your on fire - keep it coming ......

Dont Make Me .....!!!!  U know.

Walter you have along line waiting to hand out their hard
earned money for that video. Make hay while the sun shines
brother. It aint very often you'll have the chance at a windfall
like this. Just an address, be it back alley or whatever,
internet link or anything, America needs this video to heal.
Your an American, you could be a real live hero. Give us the
info we need to purchase this fine piece of work.
 How many megs did you burn again? What are you at, near $4,000?
Oh thats right, shooting for 6. I sure hope you didnt cross any
copyright areas because I want no part of breaking the laws of
this great country helping you make your buck. I would like to
think that anything connected to the attack on 09-11-01
concerned with breaking any laws in this country would get a
front row seat. Gee I hope you didnt borrow from CNN or 
somebody like that, they got a army of laywers Im sure.
 Anyway can ya hook me up on that video of yours. Post back
we are all really 911 addicts bud, we need a fix baaaad.
 You know you mentioned a while back if this was WW2 you would
be locked in a camp for your views on the current situation but
I dont think so, only those of Japanese decent were, but having
said that, that program seems to have worked very well, no
internal worries while the war was fought. America hasnt come
close to doing that at this time, some locked up for now, some
students on visas filling out some extra papers, it could be
much, much worse. I call Muslims living in this country at
this time in history, LUCKY. As are you and me.

JAHANNEM, OUTER DARKNESS The hijackers who carried out the Sept. 
11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon expressed 
confusion and surprise Monday to find themselves in the lowest 
plane of Na'ar, Islam's Hell.
The rest of Atta's words turned to raw-throated shrieks, as a 
tusked, asp-tongued demon burst his eyeballs and drank the fluid 
that ran down his face.

      According to Hell sources, the 19 eternally damned 
terrorists have struggled to understand why they have been 
subjected to soul-withering, infernal torture ever since their 
Sept. 11 arrival.

      "There was a tumultuous conflagration of burning steel and 
fuel at our gates, and from it stepped forth these hijackers, 
the blessed name of the Lord already turning to molten brass on 
their accursed lips," said Iblis The Thrice-Damned, the 
cacodemon charged with conscripting new arrivals into the ranks 
of the forgotten. "Indeed, I do not know what they were 
expecting, but they certainly didn't seem prepared to be 
skewered from eye socket to bunghole and then placed on a spit 
so that their flesh could be roasted by the searing gale of 
flatus which issues forth from the haunches of Asmoday."

      "Which is strange when you consider the evil with which 
they ended their lives and those of so many others," added 
Iblis, absentmindedly twisting the limbs of hijacker Abdul Aziz 
Alomari into unspeakably obscene shapes.

      "I was told that these Americans were enemies of the one 
true religion, and that Heaven would be my reward for my noble 
sacrifice," said Alomari, moments before his jaw was sheared 
away by faceless homunculi. "But now I am forced to suckle from 
the 16 poisoned leathern teats of Gophahmet, Whore of Betrayal, 
until I burst from an unwholesome engorgement of curdled bile. 
This must be some sort of terrible mistake."

      Exacerbating the terrorists' tortures, which include being 
hollowed out and used as prophylactics by thorn-cocked Gulbuth 
The Rampant, is the fact that they will be forced to endure such 
suffering in sight of the Paradise they were expecting.

      "It might actually be the most painful thing we can do, to 
show these murderers the untold pleasures that would have 
awaited them in Paradise, if only they had lived pious lives," 
said Praxitas, Duke of Those Willingly Led Astray. "I mean, it's 
tough enough being forced through a wire screen by the callused 
palms of Halcorym and then having your entrails wound onto a 
stick and fed to the toothless, foul-breathed swine of Gehenna. 
But to endure that while watching the righteous drink from a 
river of wine? That can't be fun."

      Underworld officials said they have not yet decided on a 
permanent punishment for the terrorists.

      "Eventually, we'll settle on an eternal and unending task 
for them," said Lord Androalphus, High Praetor of 
Excruciations. "But for now, everyone down here wants a crack at 
them. The legions of fang-wombed hags will take their pleasure 
on their shattered carcasses for most of this afternoon. 
Tomorrow, their flesh will be melted from their bones like wax 
in the burning embrace of the Mother of Cowards. The day after 
that, they'll be sodomized by the Fallen and their bowels 
shredded by a demonic ejaculate of burning sand. Then, on 
Sunday, Satan gets them all day. I can't even imagine what he's 
got cooked up for them."

In a interview on 60 minutes Satan said hijacker Atta was
very pissed at Osama and Saddam about not recieving the
virgins as had been promised.

NOVEMBER 29, 2001
=================
TERRORISM:

Germany and France have warned against any attempt to 
extend the United States led military campaign against 
terrorism to targets outside Afghanistan.
The German Chancellor, Gerhard Schreoder, told 
parliament that Germany was not intending to join any 
military intervention in Iraq or Somalia. He urged caution in 
talking about new targets in the Middle East because no 
other country had actively supported terrorist attacks.
French Defence Minister, Alain Richard, said in Sofia that 
military attacks on Iraq or other countries are not necessary 
after the US led campaign against Afghanistan.
The Egyptian Foreign Minister, Ahmad Maher also warned 
that any use of force against Iraq by the United States in a 
second stage of its war on terror would be a "" mistake"".
Addressing at the Brookings Institution in Washington he 
said any such act would have a very negative impact on all 
the Islamic countries along with posing serious internal 
problems for the friends of the United States.
Arab League Secretary Amr Musa expressed that a use of 
force against Iraq after Afghanistan would mean the end of 
the understanding on how to fight against terrorism.

*    *    *    *    *    *    * 

KASHMIR KILLING:

In occupied Kashmir, Indian troops in their latest reign of 
terror, have martyred eight more innocent Kashmiris.
According to Kashmir Media Service, three were martyred in 
district Budgam, four in Kupwara and Shopian and one in 
Pattan.
The Indian troops shot and wounded one person in the area 
of Qamardari, Srinagar while arrested another in Pulwama.
Meanwhile, fifteen Indian troops including a Major and a 
JCO were killed in a clash between Indian troops and 
Mujahideen at Sarankot area of Poonch. The killed Major 
was identified as Ashok Shangli of 17 Light Infantry of 
Marhatta Regiment. A Brigadier narrowly escaped when 
Mujahideen lobbed a grenade on Army vehicle at Lolab in 
Kupwara district.

source: P.B.C.

============
InTheNews
============
11/17/2001: "Saddam also can be forced out" 

THE Western-backed Northern Alliance appears to
have saved Afghanistan through its exertions - but
might it also have
saved Iraq through its example? 

The apparent success of the insurgency suggests
that repressive regimes can be defeated if America
decides to support an
opposition with massive air power and
logistical support. Moreover, it appears that such
success can even be achieved in
devoutly Islamic countries, using only small
numbers of Western ground troops. 

So where does that leave the Iraqi National
Congress, the most important of the organisations
opposing Saddam Hussein?
Until recently, the arguments against backing
it were similar to those used against supporting the
Northern Alliance. It was
disunited, said the critics, and unreliable.
But the Afghan campaign shows that serious American
backing can cause
squabbling factions among resistance movements
to sink differences. 

Arguably, Saddam might be easier to depose than
the Taliban. The Iraqi government has little support
even among
Saddam's own Sunni minority, while the Taliban
can at least claim to have enjoyed some support among
the Pathans, who
make up nearly 40 per cent of the population of
Afghanistan. And no neighbouring state is as
supportive of Saddam as the
Pakistanis were of the Taliban before September 11. 

The Iraqi regime also presents many more
obvious targets than Afghanistan, including air
defences and police barracks.
Through illegal accounts held overseas, it is
also more vulnerable to financial countermeasures. 

Of course, all bets would be off if any
factions in the Northern Alliance initiated a
blood-bath along the lines of that which took
place at Sabra and Chatilla in 1982, when
Christian Lebanese militia took advantage of Israel's
victories to murder Palestinian refugees. 

The Iraqi National Congress is determined not
to fall into this trap. Indeed, it has sought funds
from America for the training
of Iraqi policemen in the United Nations safe
haven in northern Iraq: these would be deployed to
prevent reprisals if Saddam
is overthrown. 

So far, the US State Department has refused to
release these funds on the grounds that doing so would
violate UN sanctions.
But this argument could become harder to
sustain if the Defence Department gains the upper
hand. The deputy defence
secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, is an INC supporter.


Any such talk from Washington, however,
horrifies senior British ministers - and particularly
the Foreign Office team. They do
not want to overthrow the Iraqi Ba'athist
regime, and certainly not now, partly for fear of
splitting the Arab elements of the
coalition. They want a "Palestine first"
approach before moving on to Iraq (if at all). 

Despite its vaunted "ethical foreign policy",
Labour has become ever more focused on ensuring the
stability of the Gulf
monarchies. 

As far as the Saudis are concerned, an INC
overthrow of the Sunni Ba'athists would stir up the
many Shi'ites in the kingdom's
north-eastern provinces. If the INC were to
deliver on its pledges of democratisation, the effects
on the Saudis and other
surrounding autocracies would be profound. 

Most Western foreign ministries believe that,
even if Saddam is supporting bin Laden and building
nuclear weapons, the risk
of attacking the Iraqi leader is too high. The
most they would be prepared to do is to back an
internal Ba'athist coup against
him - in search, as it were, of an Iraqi
Gorbachev. 

As David Wurmser noted in his book Tyranny's
Ally, the Western powers have historically been
willing to overthrow individual
Middle Eastern despots, but not the
institutions of despotism. 

This paradox is at the heart of the differences
between American and European political culture. Most
Americans believe that
democracy can and should be spread around the
globe. Many in Washington see Turkey as a possible
model for the Middle
East. 

The prevailing European view is that the worst
thing that can happen is the break-up of states, and
that only strong rulers can
hold things together in a region unsuited to
democracy. The challenge for our Prime Minister will
be to achieve a Blairite
synthesis of these competing strands of Western
thought. 


THE DAILY TELEGRAPH(LONDON) 
November 17, 2001, Saturday 
Analysis 
By Dean Godson 

=====================================

Its the Jews .... the Jews I tell you .... they did this too 
america ... if we'd all just open our eyes we'd be able to see 
the face of Sharon peering out at us from the ash and 
smoke.....  you must look closer GlassHopper ...... !!!LOL!!!

I guess we needed video tape of O bin Lucifer flying the plane 
or a written confession..... I mean why let a little confession 
of or public statement taking credit for Somalia, Kenya, 
Tanzania, Yemen/Cole, and the Saudi Arabia barracks incident get 
us confused.


 .................Now this is PRICELESS ................

From: Ashraf 
To: Farhana, Samia & Shiraz.. 
Subject: ... 
Date: Thu Nov 29 19:32:21 2001 
Message:
Thank you for your supportive words.. but there are a few things 
we should get straight, and lay out in the open..

If OBL has done this act against America, then we shouldnt be 
proud of it, coz its wrong. Islam doesnt accept that. So 
therefore, we shouldnt support him. But likewise, for the most 
technically advanced and richest country in the world to launch 
a war against the poorest country in the world, WITHOUT 
EVIDENCE, is also not acceptable..

About all those swearing at Islam and Muslims, these are 
ignorant fools, that you dont need to respond to, especially 
using their own foul style of ill-mannered swearing and cursing 
techniques.. As Muslims, we dont bring our selves to their low 
levels.. So refrain from swearing back, just ignore them..

Have a nice day.. Salam..

Peace..

---------------------------------------------------------------

Ashraf - you have won the Dumbest Arab Award.  Your gold Plated 
Swine statuette is in the mail.

     .........PIECE.............

I might be the only one to have U.K. Citizen's email address on 
this board, and I'm going to send him some of your comments.  I 
believe he should reserve the right to change his mind, as 
should we all.  I think most of us with brains would agree that 
he is a fantastic addition to this board and he is both 
respected and appreciated.

EagleEye, I have more personal conversations in my future with 
Ashraf.  At this point, I believe him to be a genuine article, 
and no more hypocritical than the rest of us.  I will allow him 
the right to change his mind as well when it comes to seeing the 
truth about OBL's guilt in the plane attacks (which, if I'm not 
mistaken, I believe he's already conceded to).  I want to 
explore (through emails, not here) his deep emotional place with 
regard to the Jewish people in Israel, and learn more about his 
history on a wider level.  In any case, I do know that Ashraf is 
no fan of OBL's based on everything else he's responsible for 
destroying anyway.  As he has stated, Ashraf would like to see 
OBL dead as much as the rest of us.

Anyway, I'm off to write an email to U.K. Citizen.  Missin, 
you're the best, and I appreciate your feelings here.  I 
realized when I saw how well you and Snakey held your own 
against Walter that I was blowing a little steam, and I'm glad 
you are not taking any of it personally as I had.  I'm just a 
little pissy these days (you understand why, I think), and I 
won't tolerate anyone saying such mean things about my friends.

See y'all later!

I sure hate to see ya leave this board, on one hand I may
understand on the other I dont. But I will tell ya, you sure
as hell went with a bang. Take some time, you know you are
always welcome here.

Your friends started the shit with me so fuck you,bitch.

Suicide Bombing Deals Blow to U.S. Peace Drive 
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A new U.S. peace drive in the Middle East 
suffered a fresh blow when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew 
himself up on an intercity bus in northern Israel, killing three 
other people.

The Only Good Jew Is A Dead Jew.
 

Not sure if its the real wal-terd ... but the HOMOPHOBE thing 
was a riot [leather studded thong - buwahahahahahah] - oh shit 
my sides are still killin me!

Hope you feel better now that your OUT.

Oh, and the Jew thing ...... What chapter of Mein Kempf are you 
on?  I must have been mistaken  ... you call'n me a Nazi?

Well dear ... you go right ahead and talk to that no good 
ignorant blind muslim all you want.  The fact remains - he still 
feels the USA/World has  No Evidence.  His pea brain refuses to 
allow him to believe that Muslims could be responsible.

Who gives a flying shite if Afghans are the most back-assward 
country in the world - if it was russia, or germany or Japan, 
and they refused to turn over bin Laden - they would have 
suffered the same fate.  The leaders of the UN, Pakistan, and 
Britain all felt comfortable with the proof .... but wait ... 
AssRashf's 129 IQ makes them all dunces and only he sees the 
truth.  This is the same bastard that has called myself and 
other americans blind pigs for America supporting Isreal.

Hypocrite blowhard "."

Hey Sugar,
I meant to get this posted BEFORE midnight! I did get one off 
before it was over on one of the other boards.  Hope you had a 
GREAT day!

Did you see that nice compliment that Walter paid you?  He 
called you a B.I.T.C.H.  Babe In Total Control of Herself! 
Whoohoooooooooo, wtg Walter!  You're getting the picture!

I wish you would explain to me why U.K. Citizen left...I got 
that I somehow played a part in it...but, I still don't know 
why.  I know that you know me well enough to know that most of 
the time my nature is very much like yours...open and gentle.  
This particular board has provided me a place to be a little 
less gentle...and a little less open.  I hope you are being very 
careful here...I'm sure that it's not a safe place.  

Big Hugs to you Sister!  Oh, and I finally got word that my son-
in-law hasn't been called up yet.  Some of his friends have 
shipped, but he's still waiting for word.

Thanks to the BBC & C-Span 2
At Westminster, a Memorial service for Brits lost in N.Y. on 9/11

A few words from the Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey:

"One innocent life lost is one too many....nothing and no cause 
can justify it's barbarity' (the attack of 911)  'We must put 
our own houses in order,; build on the best of oour faiths, not 
our worst.'

Several Palestinians walked into a bus station, opened fire, 
killed and wounded many.  Now tell me that those innocent people 
going about their business, UNARMED, in a bus station were the 
REAL terrorists.

Several Palestinians walked into a bus station, opened fire, 
                killed and wounded many.

Yeah!! Kill all those Jew hogs!!!

I wish you would explain to me why U.K. Citizen left...I got 
                  that I somehow played a part in it...but, I 
still don't know 
                 why.

Mazar-i-Sharif, Nov 30 AP:An afghan woman and
                 a child were killed 120 miles north of 
Mazar-i-Sharif
                 near the border of Uzbekistan when the US Army
                 aircraft carrying humanitarian relief supplies 
hit a
                 house. 

Killing people with humanitarian supplies!!!
I guess when they bury her,she won't have to wear a veil.
America----Preserving Freedom Everywhere!

The feeling is mutual; the best to you and yours.
Take care...

From: Radio Europe 
                                            To: Walter 
                                         Subject: *LOL* 
                                   Date: Thu Nov 29 12:52:02 2001 
                                            Message:

                              You are extremely unhappy, 
Walter...

                                You are very disturbed as well...

                  Our image of you, your meaningless life gets 
clearer by the 
                                             day...

                     Now look again; we said you are very 
unhappy, Walter...

                 The time, the thinking you have put into your 
postings clearly 
                        shows that you do care what people think 
of you.

                 Nothing actually...., and you know that too, 
don't you Walter?_________________________

Now look into the crystal ball.......you are getting very 
sleepy.................

Hey everybody!Come on over to Afganistan!We're havin a party!
Even doin a new dance with the CIA!
We like to call it"The Taliban Stomp"

You sure you got enough soldiers left to spare 5 of yours for 
every ONE of ours...bwah!

The Palestinians had better get themselves a leader that can 
teach them the right way to do things...Arafat has NOT 
succeeded.  ANYONE who targets innocent civilians should be 
hunted down and shot like a rabid dog.  I used to have a little 
sympathy for the Palestinian cause...but, their methods have 
erased what little support I had for them.  I still feel that 
most of them are just plain IGNORANT...and hateful...kind of 
like our friend Walter.  But, I despair of their being 
retrained, and so they have chosen the only destruction that is 
theirs to choose...their own.

Twas  the night before Ramadan 
                         As  Osama, the louse 
                       Was  plotting with Omar; 
                       His  soon-to-be spouse. 
                      The Taliban were nestled, 
                       All  snug in their caves 
                  And  they dreamt of young virgins 
                   Who'd  soon be their slaves. 
                         Out  in the desert, 
                     There arose such a clatter 
                     They  crept from their caves 
                     To  see what was the matter. 
                       Not  far in the distance 
                     There  came a strange sound. 
                           Lo  and behold; 
                  They  saw a mushroom-shaped cloud. 
                       Before  Osama evaporated 
                        He  knew it was true: 
                       His butt had been kicked 
                     By  the Red, White, and Blue 

Suicide Bombing Deals Blow to Walter
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Walter, while in the Middle East, 
suffered a fresh blow when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew 
himself up on Walter in northern Israel, killing him.

The Only Good Walter Is A Dead Walter.
 

Several Palestinians walked into a bus station, opened fire, 
                killed Walter, and left the scene.

Yeah!! Kill Walter!!!

I don't appreciate the way you are using my name.  It is 
childish and immature.  My feelings are hurt.

Snake Eyes please give your beautiful daughter a big hug and 
kiss for me.  I hope that everything turns out well for her.  
Please try to get into some sort of cancer support group to deal 
with the emotional upheavel that you have been through.  I dont 
know why terrible things happen to good people and the creeps 
have it easy, who knows?  But stand in there and continue to be 
strong!

Missin best of luck in your recovery.  I assume it was fibroids 
and not cancer.  I heard that if you walk around a lot it helps 
to loosen up that KNOTTY feeling in the pelvic area and the gas 
pains from a hysterectomy are overwelming from what I 
understand.  Hope you get better day by day.

Eagle Eye best of good health and sunshine to you as well my 
friend.  There is a box of Krispy Kreme donuts and coffee for 
the three of you today.  One dozen donuts each and a carafe of 
Krispy Kreme coffee on its way.

Last but not least,  George Harrison dead at 58 from throat 
cancer, thanks so much for the beautiful music happy memories 
and smiles throughout these years.  You will be deeply missed.  
Glad that I had the opportunity to mourn John Lennon in front of 
the Dakota building back in December 1980. There is a tribute in 
Strawberry Fields today for George Harrison at Central Park.

The news headlines are saying that we are closing in on ASSAMA, 
but frankly, I am getting tired of hearing how close we are to 
killing this asshole.  The ideal thing to do, would be to kill 
the scumbag and drag his useless carcass through the streets of 
Afhanistan and have the people spit and kick it.

but hey ... the Krispy's will kill ya ... Ha!

"The ideal thing to do, would be to kill 
the scumbag and drag his useless carcass through the streets of 
Afhanistan and have the people spit and kick it."

I'd prefer they drag his arse thru Northern Pakistan with a 
hollowed out bores head over his face ... all that swine blood 
dripping all over him .....

..... WOW ..... Amnesty Int'l holds the US responsible for N.A. 
Warlord driving a tank over a bunch of Al-Qaeda zealots trying 
to be martyrs in prison rebellion.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/11/29/ret.prisoner.
amnesty/index.html

Hi Buddy!
Thanks for the do-nuts and coffee and warm wishes.  Actually, my 
surgery was elective...age and gravity, you know.  And, there 
really was an inconvenience associated with my bass tourneys, 
and so....  Gas-X works wonders, and redecorating the office 
last weekend worked all the physical kinks out...so, I'm 100% 
ready, willing, and on my way back to the woods this afternoon!
Hugggggggggggggs!  

Will you be attending the memorial in Strawberry Gardens?  Light 
a candle from me, if you do? George was my favorite.

Suckulates, doesn't it.  I think I'll boycott Richard Gere's 
movies from now on in protest.  Any other ideas?

CLEVELAND, Nov 30 AP: Many Muslim-Americans have
                 been targeted since the events of Sept. 11 
because of their
                 beliefs, but now the spotlight is on a breed of 
dogs called
                 "Afghan hounds." NewsChannel5's Kareen Wynter 
reported
                 that the hounds are being attacked in northeast 
Ohio.
                 Afghan hound owner and breeder Lorie Starinsky 
said that
                 her dogs have suddenly come under attack because 
of their
                 name. 

                 "What could these dogs have to do with politics 
and religion (and) things going on around the
                 world?" she said. "(I had) a little bit of fear 
(that) because 'Afghan' is in the name, they would
                 be targeted in some way."


AMERICA:Land Of The Freaks,Home Of The Crazed 

Here's an idea for you.Take a candle,cut a likeness of George 
out of it,and insert it into your Crackerbox 
Palace!LOL!!!!!!!!!!! 

Your words--->I don't appreciate the way you are using my name.  
It is 
childish and immature.  My feelings are hurt.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
---------------
Poor Wittle Walter's feewings are hurt? Awwwwwwwww! Didn't your 
Mama ever teach you that people won't really give two hoots if 
you're an asshole all the time?

And, yes Walter.  We do realize that in this country people even 
have the freedom to be freaks and wackos.  We are reminded of it 
each and every time you post.

You're wasting your time.Not my post.I'd never post that my 
feelings were hurt.Too many humanitarians here......I'd be 
smothered with kindness!LOL!!!

A good man went over to the 'other' side
One of the first to breach 'East meets West'
He contributed much without pride
Or vanity, or egotisticalness;
Left his mark in a positive way
Through the magic of his music
We remember him today;
And always.

Well I rocked in Italy,an I rocked in Spain,
and I rocked in Memphis,it was all the same.
till I rocked in Afganistan,where the music's hip,
I seen them cats doin an odd lookin skip.
Brushed the sand out my ass by the ammo dump,
and I seen them cats do the Taliban Stomp.

The Taliban Stomp,its real rock n' roll,
It beats anything that ever been told.
The Taliban Stomp,with Taliban style,
With every kick it sends those cool cats wild.

Thank You Very Much...........
Ladies and Gentlemen,the Taliban have left the building

"Ladies and Gentlemen,the Taliban have left the building"

In a Red Cross body bag, and between the tracks of a Russian 
Tank tread.  What an exit.  

I heard only a few 100 Taliban were found with their hands tied 
behind their backs.  Thats handy for when you need to reach 
back, spread your arse cheeks to kiss your Ass Goodbye ... Im 
sure they appreciated it.

I much prefer the Northern Alliance "Tank N ROLL" myself.  I 
especially like their album cover designs ...... rather eclectic 
though .... I mean who would have thought the way Taliban's grey 
matter, a Black Turban and blood could combine when swirled and 
strewn upon canvas to look so 80's retro?  Huck a little sand on 
the bits, and you've got a real masterpiece.  

Think it'll hit cover of Rolling Stone?

"Tank" you ... "Tank" you very much .... da Towel e go Bam have 
left the planet.

Thanks for the review.Wasn't going to spend much time on it,so I 
just revamped Warren Smith's"Ubangi Stomp".Rolling Stone has 
expressed an interest,but I'm seriously in doubt over the 
follow-up album.But we do have lovely picure of the twin towers 
for"Osama's Greatest Hits"though.

My Dearest Walter,
Why...what on earth could be wrong?  I know something must be 
agitating that warped soul of yours!  You've left off spacing 
after each period!  Please calm yourself...we miss you!

I'm fine. You shouldn't worry so much,but I know you will,being 
the wonderful humanitarian that you are.Sometimes when you 
post,the board starts glowing with the light of Jesus.That's when 
I know I'm in the presence of the divine.And when you fed the 
multitude with the fish that you caught........it was a 
miracle.....what can one say?As for the spaces,they might have 
went the same route as your tell-tale symbols***.

You know,when you remove the bland commentary out of the films 
of the WTC falling,and replace it with Carole King,it seems to 
just add more"life" to the piece.

"I feel the earth move,under my feet,
I feel the sky tumbling down.
"I feel my heart start tremblin,
 Whenever you're around.(insert picture of Osama at this point)

Y'all have a great weekend!  I'll catch up with you on Monday.  
I'm off to the woods for another fine weekend of good old 
fashioned family pursuits.  Oh, and supposed to pick out rings 
too! Keep the coffee hot, Justice USA! Hugssssssss!

Walter Dear, do try to get some fresh air into that hole of 
yours won't you?

Yes........you too.I'm sure your doctor recommended that same 
thing to you,after the operation.

"I see your country men are confused."
And I don't know why. I don't see it at all.

"First they slag off the Islamic People and then they join them."
This just regards a few fools.

"Are you going to become a Muslim too?"
There never was such a danger.

"Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Torquato Cardilli, has 
reverted to Islam"
If the Itali(b)an ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Torquato Cardilli, 
has reverted to Islam, he simply must be a fool.

"He said he was fully convinced about the truthfulness of Islam 
through his regular reading of the holy Qu-ran"
Instead I am fully convinced about the fakeness of Islam through 
my reading of - mainly but not only - the verse 4:56 of your 
barbarous Qu-ran (where it's about the fine torture for the 
Infidels).

And WHO SAID I was greasy, you idiot? I am slim.

It's a good job that you do the Ramadam... 
Nearly all of you have very much to purify...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/22964122/26199693
QLPoKLUDbf

And WHO SAID I was greasy, you idiot? I am slim.

I DID!!!You're STILL greasy,you disgusting pig!LOL!!!

"I don't appreciate the way you are using my name.  It is 
childish and immature.  My feelings are hurt."

HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You know, when you remove the bland commentary out of the porno 
films of my mom, and replace it with Carole King, it seems to 
just add more "life" to the piece.

"I feel the bed move, under my back,
I feel the ceiling tumbling down".
"I feel my heart start tremblin,
when you stick me with your one-eyed clown".
(insert picture of my mom at this point).

I'm crazy enough as it is without someone else's personality 
crisis mucking up the place. Anyway, I had misjudged you 
walter. I'm sorry to have given you the benefit of the doubt - it 
was your place to confirm. Anyhow, even if 5% of the posts 
labeled Walter are yours, I think you're pretty much 
dispicable (easier to feel that way when you don't care at 
all). 

Missin', Thanks for your concern. I'm really quite alright, but I 
have to freak out every now and then. When it gets really 
late, I just start typing for no reason. It's really kind of 
pointless and I feel bad that it takes up more space (making 
this page take longer and longer to load), but sometimes 
more of my thoughts come out that way. What part of the 
country are you from? I don't know where walleye are other 
than the great lakes region, but I really am clueless about 
fishing. 

North Carolina gal, good of you to keep reading and 
respond to the degeneration. I used to live in Asheville when 
I was little and lots of relatives live in Greensboro - I love NC. 
Anhow, I just thought I'd say Hi. 

Shoot, I forgot the name, but to the Australian who asked if 
they should send in their troops - in my opinion, it's not really 
necessary, but it's a nice thought. For now I think Australia 
has enough to do in that region with the immigration issues 
and all that. Speaking for myself, I am grateful that an 
Australian citizen is thinking of the situation.

Allatti2d, thanks for the update on me to Missin' I was gone 
yesterday. Sorry that Walter was a big disappointment - I 
also thought he might have something intelligent to say 
eventually. 

to everyone else - thanks for posting. I might be done for the 
night. Gotta have a fun friday night!

"But we do have lovely picure of the twin towers 
for"Osama's Greatest Hits"though."

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnt!  Gong ..... already been done - some NY 
rappers already beat the cave boy too the punch.

Walter Im still waiting to hear how to get that piece film
history you are selling. Im begining to think you are not cut
out to be a succsesful buisinesswoman, treating potential
customers this way is a big no-no. 
 Now Im sure there is no video, more bullshit hey. An Afghan
Hound would be a prefect dog for you, I hear their hung like
a horse, you wont be, I mean those homos wont be hitting on
you no more, you, I mean they will go after the dog.
 Empty 2 (20oz.) Pepsi bottles, go to the Muslim owned Quickee
Mart with pumps, fill them with strong cheap Muslim gas and
go to the mall or maybe a Jewish place of worship and make a
statement. Do it for the Afghan Hounds of the world.

Thanks for the mention.I do enjoy reading everyones posts,being 
drawn back each night to see if others out there felt the same 
as I.Small world Greensboro is where I call home......Hope you 
have a fun friday night!  

Ok, first, I am a good old American. And. after reading the 
letters from this site, I could,t be more ashamed te be called 
that. Do you self-rightious ASSES really believe that America is 
perfect? Or even close? We haev one of the msot underhanded adn 
bloody histories in existance. We lost 5000 people on Sep 11. 
Firstly, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED! Our security secrewed up 
bug time. Second, guess how many INNOCENT people have been 
killed in afgansitan. A hell of a lot. Because WE, the self-
rightious asses that actually believe it is possable to wage war 
on terroris, are bombing the shit out of them. Another point. 
I'm a Catholic. And, If I could shoot every cathoulic in the 
world, I would. The seff rightious ass kissing pricks taht have 
the adacity to think that htir fucked up faith has one iota of 
more merit than any other religion can go screw themselves. You 
think you're superior to everyone, you goatfuckers, well, you're 
not. You have the most twisted, dirty, bloody and disgusting 
history of any religion, and believe me, i know the history of a 
shit load of them. America, shove it. Christianity, shove it.

Walter, being the spelling bee champ and all, step up for
you country. 
 I couldnt agree more, you tell those Cathaholics about the
12 step program to your way of blabbering. If they wont listen,
you just get pissed and leave this god forsaken country. Now
pack your shit and go.

Apparently you can't spell.  America has people like you who 
can't read past a 4th grade level.  People like you that put 
forth shame on being an American.  Please for the love of God 
ask for a spell checker for Christmas and please go back to 
school to get your GED.  No we are not all perfect spellers but 
man did I have a hard time trying to read your post.  Once you 
get your degree, then you can come back on this board and wax 
intellectual with us.

"Do you self-rightious ASSES really believe that America is 
perfect? "

Closer than anyone else ... except maybe Switzerland, and I 
think the Aussie's are straight up.

"Second, guess how many INNOCENT people have been 
killed in afgansitan." 

Not nearly enough????? + 1 CIA Agent too many.

"A hell of a lot."

Does a that scientific figure above include or exclude those 
executed by Al Qaeda and Talib maniacs or just the ones who got 
hit by US Bombs?  If just the US Bombs ... probably around 250-
300 innocents.  So your point is?

"Because WE, the self-
rightious asses that actually believe it is possable to wage war 
on terroris, are bombing the shit out of them."

So just how do you disgruntled pretend cathaholics fight 
terrorists?  Do you have the Terrorist Silver Bullet, that only 
kills terrorist hiding in caves?  I hear your complaints, I dont 
hear your solutions.  Pretty easy to complain and whine - a tad 
more difficult to present a coherent alternative that is in the 
realm of "reality".  I know that reality is a tuff word for you 
peace nic pacifist types to deal with, but give it a try some 
time ..... wait till the acid trip ends though.

Shouldn't that opening sentence for your post read--"Ok, 
first, I am a good old anti-American."
Seems to read better that way.

Bet your creamin your panties over all of "Appatently"'s 
spelling mistakes .....  Dont hurt yourself.

The CD I had in my hand just disappeared when YOU said you 
didn't believe in them!Please,click your heels together or 
something and make them come back!LOL!!
 Yes,it would be REALLY smart of me to tell you how to get them 
wouldn't it?If I were a really good sport,I guess I'd give you 
directions to my home,and let you know which door or window it 
would be easiest to gain entrance to.But then I would be aiding a 
terrorist,wouldn't I?
 It's very hard for you for understand that there are others who 
feel as I do.I guess that's why you attribute that post to 
me.Whatever helps you to get by.
 

In order to correct someone's spelling,you must pre-suppose a 
certain level of comprehension.I don't think I need to go on.....

" It's very hard for you for understand that there are others 
who feel as I do."

No, beleiving that you "feel" at all ... well, anything other 
than the needle stick of your prick in your palm ...... is the 
hard part.

WTF you actually do stand for .... make beleive boy?

You come here asking people to converse with you in a humane 
fashion - yet you in such Palastinian fashion, never give 
yourself the opportunity to either be taken seriously or treated 
with any level of respect or decency.  Respect is not owed nor a 
birth right - earned.

Not "everyone" here has disrespected you until you deserved it - 
which in my opinion was instantly - but others here gave you a 
shot.

Do you have a purpose .... other than discourse an chaos?

Wow,that fucks me all up when you talk that way!If you could 
look back at all the posts(but I'm sure you won't be able 
to[ADS]),you'd see that YOU can't leave the penis out of them.
 Its easy to see that the "Strong Muslim Sex"bit really upset 
you.But don't blame me.I am not the one who made you get 
snipped.Someone else did that,and now you're mad,because you 
don't feel like you're as much of a man.You're probably as much 
of a man as you always were,but that doesn't help does it?
 Oh yes,I wouldn't want you to feel uneducated or anything 
so:ADS:Attention Deficit Syndrome

You come here asking people to converse with you in a humane 
                   fashion - yet you in such Palastinian fashion, 
never give 
                yourself the opportunity to either be taken 
seriously or treated 
                with any level of respect or decency.  Respect is 
not owed nor a 
                                      birth right - earned.

                Not "everyone" here has disrespected you until 
you deserved it - 
                 which in my opinion was instantly - but others 
here gave you a 
                                              shot.______________

You know as well as I do that I didn't come here asking people to 
converse with me in a humane fashion.I came and read the posts 
for awhile,and then began attacking.And I notice that it wasn't a 
big jump for you to come down to my level,and attack others the 
same way.the needle stick of your prick in your palm-----Strong 
Muslim Sex----they're really not so different,are they?And don't 
come up with the lame excuse that you learn fast.
 Allatti2d admitted she enjoyed the shit-kicking between you and 
I the other night,but then SHE found out SHE couldn't choose the 
contestants,she got pissed.Too bad.
 If people here WANT to have an intellegent conversation,fine.If 
not,then even better!You know yourself it takes less thought to 
attack,and its so much more fun!LOL!! 

11/30/2001 : "Iraq recalls controversial envoy to Turkey" 

Iraq has withdrawn its ambassador to Turkey, a former 
intelligence official who may have met with suspected 
terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden in 1998, diplomatic 
sources said Thursday. 
The sources said Farouk Hijazi, Iraq's ambassador to 
Ankara, was being permanently recalled by Baghdad. 
A U.S. news report in recent months quoted an unnamed 
U.S. official as saying Hijazi was believed to have met bin 
Laden in Afghanistan in 1998. 
Iraq denied the report, calling it "rubbish." 
Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said Baghdad has not 
had contact with bin Laden. "We don't know the man," he 
said. 
Hijazi, who was a top Iraqi intelligence official before being 
posted to Ankara, recently returned to Ankara after being 
temporarily recalled following the September 11 attacks on 
the United States

Source:BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) 

11/29/2001 : "Coalition forces strike target in Iraqi no-fly 
zone" 

Coalition aircraft monitoring Iraq's southern no-fly zone used 
precision guided weapons Wednesday to strike a 
command and control system in southern Iraq, according to 
the U.S. Central Command. 
The action, in response to hostile Iraqi threats against 
coalition aircraft monitoring the no-fly zone, has no 
connection to the U.S.-led military operation in Afghanistan, 
the command said in a news release. 
The last coalition strike in the southern no-fly zone was 
against Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites on Oct. 13. 
Iraq has fired anti-aircraft artillery and surface-to-air 
missiles against coalition aircraft on more than 1,050 
occasions since December 1998, including more than 420 
in this calendar year, according to the news release. Iraqi 
aircraft have violated the southern no-fly zone more than 160 
times in the same period. 

Source:MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE, Florida (CNN) -- 
=======================

I wasnt on a low level from minute one, the point was others 
here were not really willing to stoop, I frankly dont give a 
flying shit how low [not sure I have a max depth....] - there 
were plenty of other assholes here long before you popped up 
[well shit with all your fans and personalities - who the fuck 
really knows] that deserved to have their heads forcefully 
removed from their ass.  Of course they are no longer here - hit 
and run pussy ass babies posting such meaningless tripe like 
Ashraf that "America is the real terrorist" - there is no 
Proof .... blah!  There was much better examples ... Im just not 
in the current mood to attempt to recall them - not worth the 
effort to be sure.

"You know as well as I do that I didn't come here asking people 
to converse with me in a humane fashion"

However, youve responded, and asked others to speak to you 
respectfully and intelligently and you would do so in kind.  it 
doesnt really fucking matter in the long run I guess.  I guess I 
was just gullable enough at times to think that you would post 
at least one or two sentences of real thoughts ... vs. your 
ficticious personalities.

"If people here WANT to have an intellegent conversation,fine."

well, guess thats the deal breaker eh ... how anti americans 
define "intelligent".  Typically the "intellegent" 
conversationalists rant on and on about America's warts with 
nothing more than op-ed piece information from some socialist 
fuck with an axe to grind cuz his shit ass book sold 5 copies in 
the USA as a source vs. any substantiative facts ..... some fuck 
in Dubai with a laptop may make him an authority in his 
neighborhood of dunes as he's "wired", but thats a far cry from 
being a world authority on America and Americans and how our 
media and govt work - in reality.  Opinions are like 
assholes ... as they say.


"You know yourself it takes less thought to 
attack,and its so much more fun!LOL!! "

Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnn ..................

That wasnt a cd in your hand that went poof, was it? I dont 
care what you name your wet noodle just dont tell me about your
limp bisqet. I have no intention to do you harm, dont have to,
you'll do just fine on your own.
 I really dont give a fuck about about how you feel as you
dont of my views. I believe in what America is doing, you dont.
Your missin Billy Bob as president and Im celebrating that
scumbags departure. I voted for Bush and Im damn glad I did,
Gore the pacifist bitch would have us telling all terrorists
how wrong we are for pissing them off and how we'll kiss their
ass from here on out and feel free to attack us anytime 
convienent for you. We will leave our airports, nuclear plants
and in country military bases on the lowest state of alert so
you can attack us at will.
 And answer me this smart ass, Muslims come to America, and as I
understand it their religion prohibits both, they open up
liquer stores and tabacco shops. They love it here, no more of
that Muslim bullshit! Only one wife, 7 years tax free, America
been berry berry good to me! 
 Now maybe we could trade you for a Saudi drft pick and a Muslim
to be named later. That noodle should be ready for more strong
thumb and forefinger sexin so I'll leave you three alone.

"Its easy to see that the "Strong Muslim Sex"bit really upset 
you."

Nope - just a good bit .... the phrase just had some staying 
power [if you will], and was easy to build retorts off it.

"Someone else did that,and now you're mad,because you 
don't feel like you're as much of a man." "You're probably as 
much of a man as you always were,but that doesn't help does it?"

Ya know walter ... unlike the other boys you seem to be fond 
of ... no matter how much you talk about my genitalia I aint 
gonna suck your cock - so give up already.

And answer me this smart ass, Muslims come to America, and as I
                    understand it their religion prohibits both, 
they open up
                 liquer stores and tabacco shops. They love it 
here, no more of
                 that Muslim bullshit! Only one wife, 7 years tax 
free, America
                                  been berry berry good to me!

A very easy question!Its pefectly OK to sell to the pig 
infidels(Americans)items that can lead to their destruction.Its 
the whole point actually.